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I think it's always strange that the media frames this as "threatening" to shift power. On the one hand I agree that I would like to keep America investing in R

I think it's always strange that the media frames this as "threatening" to shift power. On the one hand I agree that I would like to keep America investing in R&D to create the next great innovation that revolutionizes the world, on the other hand I do not fear other countries of the world overtaking us. I frankly think it's awesome to see other countries of the world investing and leapfrogging off of American innovation and some day I would only hope that we can do the same. I think instead of using attacking vocabulary like "threatening" it would be more worthwhile for the media to say that the US is not keeping up with it's peers.

HillaryBriss 9y ago
IMHO, our brilliant thought leaders need to "revolutionize" the US economic model into something rather different, something where decent jobs and standards of living are much more easily created. The existing model of the US as the "global leader in intellectual property" (or whatever) is not working well enough for tens of millions of US workers.
youpassbutter 9y ago
> I think it's always strange that the media frames this as "threatening" to shift power. Why is it strange? That's the purpose of a nation's propaganda organizations. The chinese media does the same thing. Every nation's media does it.
- csallen 9y ago
  You're not supposed to call our media propaganda. That's a word that can only be used for other nations' media.
  - magduf 9y ago
    Our media isn't propaganda, because it doesn't fit the definition. Propaganda is slanted views that are approved or promulgated by the reigning regime in a country. The news in the US simply isn't like that: just look at how anti-Trump most of it is (not saying this is a bad thing). Propagandized media is where the news media is really nothing more than a mouthpiece for the current regime, as you see in China and Russia, and doesn't air views contradictory to that regime. This isn't to say that our media is completely neutral. No media really is. But it doesn't represent our current government, it represents the interests of its owners, who have different interests than our current leaders, and are frequently at odds with them. And of course, we have multiple media outlets, who frequently disagree with each other, a good example being Fox News.
    - 2RTZZSro 9y ago
      >slanted views that are approved or promulgated by the reigning regime in a country https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo
      - skrebbel 9y ago
        If you dont want to watch: Parent is posting a video of a bunch of pro-government news reports by Sinclair, owner of many local tv stations in the US, which is known to be particularly right-wing (and, if you ask me, bigoted), much like the current administration. To my understanding, parent's hidden suggestion is that somehow these buffoons are representative of the average American media company.
        2RTZZSro 9y ago
        >which is known to be particularly right-wing This is a baseless claim with zero evidence to support it
  - skrebbel 9y ago
    You're assuming @youpassbutter is American. Maybe he's calling your media propaganda. EDIT: dear downvoters: Too often do people here on HN assume that everybody who writes comments is American. I'm going to continue calling that out because I think it has to change.
- forapurpose 9y ago
  > That's the purpose of a nation's propaganda organizations. The chinese media does the same thing. Every nation's media does it. That's simply not true. Chinese media is state-controlled and is required to promulgate their messages. U.S. media (and the media in most other free countries) are private organizations, most of which certainly do not publish what the government likes. Just ask any U.S. President, especially the current one, what they think of the news media. But let's again have new accounts (and old ones) appear to say that China and the U.S. are the same. It gets more interesting every time I read it.
Chaebixi 9y ago
> I think it's always strange that the media frames this as "threatening" to shift power. > ...on the other hand I do not fear other countries of the world overtaking us. What if those counties are authoritarian and explicitly reject Western, liberal values?

HillaryBriss 9y ago

IMHO, our brilliant thought leaders need to "revolutionize" the US economic model into something rather different, something where decent jobs and standards of living are much more easily created. The existing model of the US as the "global leader in intellectual property" (or whatever) is not working well enough for tens of millions of US workers.

youpassbutter 9y ago

> I think it's always strange that the media frames this as "threatening" to shift power. Why is it strange? That's the purpose of a nation's propaganda organizations. The chinese media does the same thing. Every nation's media does it.

csallen 9y ago
You're not supposed to call our media propaganda. That's a word that can only be used for other nations' media.
- magduf 9y ago
  Our media isn't propaganda, because it doesn't fit the definition. Propaganda is slanted views that are approved or promulgated by the reigning regime in a country. The news in the US simply isn't like that: just look at how anti-Trump most of it is (not saying this is a bad thing). Propagandized media is where the news media is really nothing more than a mouthpiece for the current regime, as you see in China and Russia, and doesn't air views contradictory to that regime. This isn't to say that our media is completely neutral. No media really is. But it doesn't represent our current government, it represents the interests of its owners, who have different interests than our current leaders, and are frequently at odds with them. And of course, we have multiple media outlets, who frequently disagree with each other, a good example being Fox News.
  - 2RTZZSro 9y ago
    >slanted views that are approved or promulgated by the reigning regime in a country https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo
    - skrebbel 9y ago
      If you dont want to watch: Parent is posting a video of a bunch of pro-government news reports by Sinclair, owner of many local tv stations in the US, which is known to be particularly right-wing (and, if you ask me, bigoted), much like the current administration. To my understanding, parent's hidden suggestion is that somehow these buffoons are representative of the average American media company.
      - 2RTZZSro 9y ago
        >which is known to be particularly right-wing This is a baseless claim with zero evidence to support it
- skrebbel 9y ago
  You're assuming @youpassbutter is American. Maybe he's calling your media propaganda. EDIT: dear downvoters: Too often do people here on HN assume that everybody who writes comments is American. I'm going to continue calling that out because I think it has to change.
forapurpose 9y ago
> That's the purpose of a nation's propaganda organizations. The chinese media does the same thing. Every nation's media does it. That's simply not true. Chinese media is state-controlled and is required to promulgate their messages. U.S. media (and the media in most other free countries) are private organizations, most of which certainly do not publish what the government likes. Just ask any U.S. President, especially the current one, what they think of the news media. But let's again have new accounts (and old ones) appear to say that China and the U.S. are the same. It gets more interesting every time I read it.

Chaebixi 9y ago

> I think it's always strange that the media frames this as "threatening" to shift power. > ...on the other hand I do not fear other countries of the world overtaking us. What if those counties are authoritarian and explicitly reject Western, liberal values?