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> it's so beautiful because it's so standard I think it's really the opposite, every provider tends to introduce new/unique/nonstandards but they (mostly) inte

by w0m 9y ago

> it's so beautiful because it's so standard I think it's really the opposite, every provider tends to introduce new/unique/nonstandards but they (mostly) interact at a minimum with eachother. Re: gmail DOT and + notation, those have been in common use on that platform for over a decade. >I like innovation, but to innovate email wouldn't be better to innovate in a slow and consensual way using RFC after RFC, at least in the case of email? RFC to what body? To the best of my knowledge the entire thing is just a happenstance of what happens to work in every client/server combination.

sp332 9y ago
Paypal still sends me someone else's email because they signed up with myemail@gmail.com whereas I signed up with my.email@gmail.com. Apparently there's some way to make an account there where the email is considered secondary and they just never verify it.
- vatueil 9y ago
  That's a problem with PayPal, not Gmail. You can't register "myemail" if someone else has already registered "my.email", so PayPal must not have verified the address (unless you accidentally clicked the verification link yourself). There was an article posted recently that complained about how Netflix lets people create multiple accounts using dot variations of the same Gmail address, and plenty of people pointed out how it made no sense to blame Gmail for Netflix failing to verify email addresses: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16781959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16781959
  - kome 9y ago
    Well, it's Google that behaves in non-standard way. Let's say that the user verified the email by mistake: the error and misunderstanding is created by google nonstandard particles, not PayPal.
    - vatueil 9y ago
      Not at all. Imagine if "myemail" and "my.email" were different accounts: that would result in much more confusion and mis-addressed emails. It's not as if simply making a typo and entering the wrong email address doesn't happen, either. Also the relevant standards leave it up to the email host how to handle dots, so it's not even non-standard.

by w0m 9y ago

sp332 9y ago

Paypal still sends me someone else's email because they signed up with myemail@gmail.com whereas I signed up with my.email@gmail.com. Apparently there's some way to make an account there where the email is considered secondary and they just never verify it.

vatueil 9y ago
That's a problem with PayPal, not Gmail. You can't register "myemail" if someone else has already registered "my.email", so PayPal must not have verified the address (unless you accidentally clicked the verification link yourself). There was an article posted recently that complained about how Netflix lets people create multiple accounts using dot variations of the same Gmail address, and plenty of people pointed out how it made no sense to blame Gmail for Netflix failing to verify email addresses: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16781959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16781959
- kome 9y ago
  Well, it's Google that behaves in non-standard way. Let's say that the user verified the email by mistake: the error and misunderstanding is created by google nonstandard particles, not PayPal.
  - vatueil 9y ago
    Not at all. Imagine if "myemail" and "my.email" were different accounts: that would result in much more confusion and mis-addressed emails. It's not as if simply making a typo and entering the wrong email address doesn't happen, either. Also the relevant standards leave it up to the email host how to handle dots, so it's not even non-standard.