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In Telegrams case there's no need to break any encryption, most chats simply aren't encrypted (group chats cannot be). Telegram is marketed as a secure encrypt

In Telegrams case there's no need to break any encryption, most chats simply aren't encrypted (group chats cannot be). Telegram is marketed as a secure encrypted messenger, but unlike other modern encrypted messaging apps it requires the users to manually begin a "secret chat". Very few Telegram users are actually aware of this fact. Telegram also makes no attempt to conceal the metadata of the rare encrypted conversations, compared to Signal which goes to significant lengths to ensure that they can't even easily access their users contact lists.

reitanqild 9y ago
> In Telegrams case there's no need to break any encryption, most chats simply aren't encrypted (group chats cannot be). Chats, including group chats, are encrypted, just not end-to-end. This works the same way as gmail and internet banking, and it means you have to trust Google, your bank or Telegram. Pretending it is wide open to anyone ("aren't encrypted") is misleading.
- ryanlol 9y ago
  That's not what anybody means when speaking about encrypted messaging. Referring to client-server encryption as encrypted messaging is misleading. AIM, Facebook chat and Windows Live Messenger are all encrypted messengers by that definition.
  - reitanqild 9y ago
    > That's not what anybody means when speaking about encrypted messaging. Few people seems to know much. > Referring to client-server encryption as encrypted messaging is misleading. > AIM, Facebook chat and Windows Live Messenger are all encrypted messengers by that definition. I can partly agree with you on that. But the way you phrase it, people who don't know better might easily be misled to think it is readable by anyone in between. There are a few options between cleartext over telnet and the latest in crypto.
rando444 9y ago
Not saying you're wrong, but the whole topic of discussion here is that Russia is moving to block Telegram specifically for it's encryption. So either they're actually doing this because they're scared of the people enabling encryption on this specific platform, or it's a publicity stunt because they already can access the data.

reitanqild 9y ago

> In Telegrams case there's no need to break any encryption, most chats simply aren't encrypted (group chats cannot be). Chats, including group chats, are encrypted, just not end-to-end. This works the same way as gmail and internet banking, and it means you have to trust Google, your bank or Telegram. Pretending it is wide open to anyone ("aren't encrypted") is misleading.

ryanlol 9y ago
That's not what anybody means when speaking about encrypted messaging. Referring to client-server encryption as encrypted messaging is misleading. AIM, Facebook chat and Windows Live Messenger are all encrypted messengers by that definition.
- reitanqild 9y ago
  > That's not what anybody means when speaking about encrypted messaging. Few people seems to know much. > Referring to client-server encryption as encrypted messaging is misleading. > AIM, Facebook chat and Windows Live Messenger are all encrypted messengers by that definition. I can partly agree with you on that. But the way you phrase it, people who don't know better might easily be misled to think it is readable by anyone in between. There are a few options between cleartext over telnet and the latest in crypto.

rando444 9y ago

Not saying you're wrong, but the whole topic of discussion here is that Russia is moving to block Telegram specifically for it's encryption. So either they're actually doing this because they're scared of the people enabling encryption on this specific platform, or it's a publicity stunt because they already can access the data.