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Can you unfold please? That still sounds as a conspiracy theory.

ryanlol 9y ago
Telegram was developed in the VK offices in St. Petersburg and is deliberately implemented in a manner which allows the operators to intercept the vast majority of the chats on the platform. Durovs have spent years pretending to live in exile from Russia, despite regularly spending time in the country. What exactly sounds like a conspiracy theory? https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/910186197598838784 https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/910186197598838784 https://twitter.com/Bershidsky/status/910169626989953024 https://twitter.com/Bershidsky/status/910169626989953024 The theory that Telegram isn't controlled by Kremlin sounds far less credible to me.
- keldaris 9y ago
  > deliberately implemented in a manner which allows the operators to intercept the vast majority of the chats on the platform. Could you elaborate on this please? Are you just referring to the fact that the default settings don't enforce encryption or is there more to it?
  - rando444 9y ago
    I believe this person is referring to the fact that Telegram uses their own encryption scheme instead of one of the more common standards. In this scenario, while the encryption has never been broken, it is theoretically possible that the creators designed the encryption in such a way that knowing certain values would allow you to decrypt the communication. This essentially allows the people that know the "secret" to be able to crack the communication, while the users remain under the impression that everything is private. He's further suggesting that this "move to block telegram" is a stunt to try and promote the idea that their encryption is not currently breakable (in a bid to foster more adoption of the platform). While there's no proof of any of this, personally I feel it's still within the range of plausibility, and raises further questions about why they would target only telegram and not other encrypted messengers .. We don't know all of the details but it feels that there is more to this move than what is being presented.
    - ryanlol 9y ago
      In Telegrams case there's no need to break any encryption, most chats simply aren't encrypted (group chats cannot be). Telegram is marketed as a secure encrypted messenger, but unlike other modern encrypted messaging apps it requires the users to manually begin a "secret chat". Very few Telegram users are actually aware of this fact. Telegram also makes no attempt to conceal the metadata of the rare encrypted conversations, compared to Signal which goes to significant lengths to ensure that they can't even easily access their users contact lists.
      - reitanqild 9y ago
        > In Telegrams case there's no need to break any encryption, most chats simply aren't encrypted (group chats cannot be). Chats, including group chats, are encrypted, just not end-to-end. This works the same way as gmail and internet banking, and it means you have to trust Google, your bank or Telegram. Pretending it is wide open to anyone ("aren't encrypted") is misleading.
        ryanlol 9y ago
        That's not what anybody means when speaking about encrypted messaging. Referring to client-server encryption as encrypted messaging is misleading. AIM, Facebook chat and Windows Live Messenger are all encrypted messengers by that definition.
        reitanqild 9y ago
        > That's not what anybody means when speaking about encrypted messaging. Few people seems to know much. > Referring to client-server encryption as encrypted messaging is misleading. > AIM, Facebook chat and Windows Live Messenger are all encrypted messengers by that definition. I can partly agree with you on that. But the way you phrase it, people who don't know better might easily be misled to think it is readable by anyone in between. There are a few options between cleartext over telnet and the latest in crypto.
      - rando444 9y ago
  - ryanlol 9y ago
    >Are you just referring to the fact that the default settings don't enforce encryption Mostly this. It's not an accident but a deliberate choice. Their questionable crypto scheme also does not support group chats.

Telegram was developed in the VK offices in St. Petersburg and is deliberately implemented in a manner which allows the operators to intercept the vast majority of the chats on the platform. Durovs have spent years pretending to live in exile from Russia, despite regularly spending time in the country. What exactly sounds like a conspiracy theory? https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/910186197598838784 https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/910186197598838784 https://twitter.com/Bershidsky/status/910169626989953024 https://twitter.com/Bershidsky/status/910169626989953024 The theory that Telegram isn't controlled by Kremlin sounds far less credible to me.

keldaris 9y ago
> deliberately implemented in a manner which allows the operators to intercept the vast majority of the chats on the platform. Could you elaborate on this please? Are you just referring to the fact that the default settings don't enforce encryption or is there more to it?
- rando444 9y ago
  I believe this person is referring to the fact that Telegram uses their own encryption scheme instead of one of the more common standards. In this scenario, while the encryption has never been broken, it is theoretically possible that the creators designed the encryption in such a way that knowing certain values would allow you to decrypt the communication. This essentially allows the people that know the "secret" to be able to crack the communication, while the users remain under the impression that everything is private. He's further suggesting that this "move to block telegram" is a stunt to try and promote the idea that their encryption is not currently breakable (in a bid to foster more adoption of the platform). While there's no proof of any of this, personally I feel it's still within the range of plausibility, and raises further questions about why they would target only telegram and not other encrypted messengers .. We don't know all of the details but it feels that there is more to this move than what is being presented.
  - ryanlol 9y ago
    In Telegrams case there's no need to break any encryption, most chats simply aren't encrypted (group chats cannot be). Telegram is marketed as a secure encrypted messenger, but unlike other modern encrypted messaging apps it requires the users to manually begin a "secret chat". Very few Telegram users are actually aware of this fact. Telegram also makes no attempt to conceal the metadata of the rare encrypted conversations, compared to Signal which goes to significant lengths to ensure that they can't even easily access their users contact lists.
    - reitanqild 9y ago
      > In Telegrams case there's no need to break any encryption, most chats simply aren't encrypted (group chats cannot be). Chats, including group chats, are encrypted, just not end-to-end. This works the same way as gmail and internet banking, and it means you have to trust Google, your bank or Telegram. Pretending it is wide open to anyone ("aren't encrypted") is misleading.
      - ryanlol 9y ago
        That's not what anybody means when speaking about encrypted messaging. Referring to client-server encryption as encrypted messaging is misleading. AIM, Facebook chat and Windows Live Messenger are all encrypted messengers by that definition.
        reitanqild 9y ago
        > That's not what anybody means when speaking about encrypted messaging. Few people seems to know much. > Referring to client-server encryption as encrypted messaging is misleading. > AIM, Facebook chat and Windows Live Messenger are all encrypted messengers by that definition. I can partly agree with you on that. But the way you phrase it, people who don't know better might easily be misled to think it is readable by anyone in between. There are a few options between cleartext over telnet and the latest in crypto.
    - rando444 9y ago
- ryanlol 9y ago
  >Are you just referring to the fact that the default settings don't enforce encryption Mostly this. It's not an accident but a deliberate choice. Their questionable crypto scheme also does not support group chats.