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> It's maybe me but I don't get it. Treating employment as subcontracting tilts benefits massively to the employer and reduces unionisation. It's anti worker. I

> It's maybe me but I don't get it. Treating employment as subcontracting tilts benefits massively to the employer and reduces unionisation. It's anti worker. It's retrograde. It's going to increase dependencies on state benefits due to the lack of savings, depressed lifetime income and absense of 401 self funded retirement. Yes. However the venn diagram of people who know/learned this, and people who are willing to change it, and those who have influence requisite to make change do not overlap enough at present. I get most surprised that this is the steady state of things in a large supposedly democratic republic like America -- if the country was reckless in hopes for growth and selling Special Economic Zones and stuff OK, there's clearly a large problem maybe even a short-sighted goal issue (oh they're trading worker's lives for short term maybe long-term economic growth), but that just isn't the case with the US.

collyw 9y ago
Even as a fairly educated decently paid software engineer I got screwed over by a somewhat similar situation.. I took a job where I was paid through an international company (well 3/4 of my pay was that way, and the rest was a normal contract) here in Spain. When I saw my pay go in before taxes it looked significantly more than what I had seen before, and I though I was doing well out of the deal. Of course I had to pay all the taxes anyway. It was only a year later when I got changed to a full Spanish contact I started checking numbers (to make sure they were equivalent) that it occurred to me that I would only have been getting 1/4 of the pension payments before then, which in Spain is a significant amount. I doubt most Uber employees are seeing noticing anything like that (though to be fair I have no idea how those extra are paid in the US).
LanceH 9y ago
It's anti-worker, except for those who wish to work who would otherwise be outside the workforce. In this case, there is no employer of one-off drivers. Cities with medallions are deliberately anti-worker to all but a few.

collyw 9y ago

Even as a fairly educated decently paid software engineer I got screwed over by a somewhat similar situation.. I took a job where I was paid through an international company (well 3/4 of my pay was that way, and the rest was a normal contract) here in Spain. When I saw my pay go in before taxes it looked significantly more than what I had seen before, and I though I was doing well out of the deal. Of course I had to pay all the taxes anyway. It was only a year later when I got changed to a full Spanish contact I started checking numbers (to make sure they were equivalent) that it occurred to me that I would only have been getting 1/4 of the pension payments before then, which in Spain is a significant amount. I doubt most Uber employees are seeing noticing anything like that (though to be fair I have no idea how those extra are paid in the US).

LanceH 9y ago

It's anti-worker, except for those who wish to work who would otherwise be outside the workforce. In this case, there is no employer of one-off drivers. Cities with medallions are deliberately anti-worker to all but a few.