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That was my reading too. It's still a machine, so treat it like any other machine and hold the designers liable. The cynic in me says that this is what happen

by femto 9y ago

That was my reading too. It's still a machine, so treat it like any other machine and hold the designers liable. The cynic in me says that this is what happens when the principles used in idealised software environments, where failure has limited consequences, meet the physical world. A better model would be that used in embedded software, an area where software has a long history of interacting with the physical world and the aim is intrinsic safety. If a designer wants to use a pseudo-random AI system, then it should be encased in a deterministic wrapper which keeps it within a safe envelope.

gumby 9y ago
> It's still a machine, so treat it like any other machine and hold the designers liable. I think you mean the operator. If I run someone over in a car, I'm responsible, not the manufacturer nor the vehicle itself. Sure, manufacturers can be liable for design flaws (steering wheel didn't work?) but it's appropriate that that not be the default. (This rule should also apply to another great invention: the corporation. Sadly, however, the "drivers" never seem to be held accountable.)
- rahimnathwani 9y ago
  How about setting up a new company to own each new machine, thus shielding the parent corporation from liability for that machine's mistakes (beyond the value of the individual machine)?
  - taneq 9y ago
    That's basically one of the approaches they discuss: > The legal status for a robot can’t derive from the Legal Entity model, since it implies the existence of human persons behind the legal person to represent and direct it. And this is not the case for a robot. They also cover treating the robot as a trust fund: > c. The legal status for a robot can’t derive from the Anglo-Saxon Trust model also called Fiducie or Treuhand in Germany. Indeed, this regime is extremely complex, requires very specialized competences and would not solve the liability issue. More importantly , it would still imply the existence of a human being as a last resort – the trustee or fiduciary – responsible for managing the robot granted with a Trust or a Fiducie. Edit: The silly thing is that they want to ensure that robots have "the status of electronic persons responsible for making good any damage they may cause" while simultaneously holding that a robot can't be a Natural Person "since the robot would then hold human rights, such as [...] the right to remuneration". So in their book a robot can't earn money but is personally financially liable for any damage it causes.

by femto 9y ago

gumby 9y ago

> It's still a machine, so treat it like any other machine and hold the designers liable. I think you mean the operator. If I run someone over in a car, I'm responsible, not the manufacturer nor the vehicle itself. Sure, manufacturers can be liable for design flaws (steering wheel didn't work?) but it's appropriate that that not be the default. (This rule should also apply to another great invention: the corporation. Sadly, however, the "drivers" never seem to be held accountable.)

rahimnathwani 9y ago
How about setting up a new company to own each new machine, thus shielding the parent corporation from liability for that machine's mistakes (beyond the value of the individual machine)?
- taneq 9y ago
  That's basically one of the approaches they discuss: > The legal status for a robot can’t derive from the Legal Entity model, since it implies the existence of human persons behind the legal person to represent and direct it. And this is not the case for a robot. They also cover treating the robot as a trust fund: > c. The legal status for a robot can’t derive from the Anglo-Saxon Trust model also called Fiducie or Treuhand in Germany. Indeed, this regime is extremely complex, requires very specialized competences and would not solve the liability issue. More importantly , it would still imply the existence of a human being as a last resort – the trustee or fiduciary – responsible for managing the robot granted with a Trust or a Fiducie. Edit: The silly thing is that they want to ensure that robots have "the status of electronic persons responsible for making good any damage they may cause" while simultaneously holding that a robot can't be a Natural Person "since the robot would then hold human rights, such as [...] the right to remuneration". So in their book a robot can't earn money but is personally financially liable for any damage it causes.