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I like the idea of just decide on something to build and than build it. Worst case scenario you get a learning experience. And I like building things I enjoy or

I like the idea of just decide on something to build and than build it. Worst case scenario you get a learning experience. And I like building things I enjoy or products I really wish I had. So I get benefit in that way. With software inputs outside of labor are low, so you won't lose out financially in most cases.

goatherders 9y ago
That is FAR from the worst case scenario.
- edgartaor 9y ago
  In your opinion, what would be the worse case scenario?
  - goatherders 9y ago
    Just because you learn something doesn't mean the time isnt wasted. If you try to make a business of it and it doesn't work...more wasted time. Wasted relationships. Wasted money. Wasted confidence. I'm all for the silver lining of having learned something. That's good for sure. But there are almost always costs when building anything from model cars to software applications.
    - jcadam 9y ago
      > Wasted confidence. This is probably the biggest factor (money is the least). I've had numerous failed projects. I have a current project/business (it's in my profile) which I believe to be in the process of failing. I don't know if I have another one in me. Sure, I've learned a lot. From a purely technical standpoint, each new project has been superior to the one before - and in the case of my latest, I've at least produced something that I find useful. But, the ego can only take so much abuse. Not sure I trust myself with ideas anymore. I need someone to tell me what to build :)
      - goatherders 9y ago
        After my first startup went down in a burst of flames I spent years angry at everyone and everything like a big black tumor carried inside my heart. It sounds dramatic but that doesn't make it untrue. I learned a lot but I lost a lot more.
        hndamien 9y ago
        I currently have one of these tumours.
        lnsru 9y ago
        Take some time off, do something totally different. After my biggest fail I spent 3 days in water filled caves. New experience partially erased these bad emotions. But they are not completely gone even after 10 years.
        goatherders 9y ago
        Get up off the mat. Its time.
      - abraae 9y ago
        Maybe (assuming you're in a startup) you could think of the corporate world as a sort of paid rehab. Go and hang out there for a year or two. Make some bank. Regain your mojo. You'll know when its time to quite the corporate job and return to the fray.
      - ShroudedNight 9y ago
        I assume you're referring to https://www.contabulo.com https://www.contabulo.com With the disclaimer that I'm nothing more than an oddly engaged person on the internet, and least of all a marketing expert, and the caveat that I'm not even likely the target market for this: 1) How does this remain sticky for the long term contrary to traditional wikis? 2) How is this different from other virtual card / sticky note project management options like Zenhub or Trello? 3) What is supposed to be compelling about the demo boards? I can see how the product can potentially fill different niches, but none of them show how productivity is significantly improved as a result. 4) Is the price of $7 a month a per user price? In case it's not obvious, I don't personally need the answer to these questions. I think you could be much more direct and clear about your value. I sort-of get the sense that you're almost ashamed at the possibility that you're better than everything else at solving your chosen problem. But I think both you and your prospective customer would be better served by you directly speaking to the pain you're addressing and why / how your unique solution addresses things better than any other offering you're aware of. Signing up is a pain. How feasible would an immediate ephemeral instance be, where the user signs up in order to save their work? Assuming I'm normal, I'd expect users to be a lot more likely to sign up if they're already convinced that they want something vs still in the 'this looks potentially interesting' stage. I also wonder if you're somewhat low-balling yourself at what I assume is $7 per user month, especially given this is mostly a business oriented product. I think this looks cool, and has the potential to significantly lower engagement friction compared to other solutions, but would like some guidance to condense those good feelings into a clear value proposition. Anyway, hopefully that was useful enough to warrant reading.
  - DelightOne 9y ago
    The purpose is not fulfilled but hindered to a big degree. Is a good question.

goatherders 9y ago

That is FAR from the worst case scenario.

edgartaor 9y ago
In your opinion, what would be the worse case scenario?
- goatherders 9y ago
  Just because you learn something doesn't mean the time isnt wasted. If you try to make a business of it and it doesn't work...more wasted time. Wasted relationships. Wasted money. Wasted confidence. I'm all for the silver lining of having learned something. That's good for sure. But there are almost always costs when building anything from model cars to software applications.
  - jcadam 9y ago
    > Wasted confidence. This is probably the biggest factor (money is the least). I've had numerous failed projects. I have a current project/business (it's in my profile) which I believe to be in the process of failing. I don't know if I have another one in me. Sure, I've learned a lot. From a purely technical standpoint, each new project has been superior to the one before - and in the case of my latest, I've at least produced something that I find useful. But, the ego can only take so much abuse. Not sure I trust myself with ideas anymore. I need someone to tell me what to build :)
    - goatherders 9y ago
      After my first startup went down in a burst of flames I spent years angry at everyone and everything like a big black tumor carried inside my heart. It sounds dramatic but that doesn't make it untrue. I learned a lot but I lost a lot more.
      - hndamien 9y ago
        I currently have one of these tumours.
        lnsru 9y ago
        Take some time off, do something totally different. After my biggest fail I spent 3 days in water filled caves. New experience partially erased these bad emotions. But they are not completely gone even after 10 years.
        goatherders 9y ago
        Get up off the mat. Its time.
    - abraae 9y ago
      Maybe (assuming you're in a startup) you could think of the corporate world as a sort of paid rehab. Go and hang out there for a year or two. Make some bank. Regain your mojo. You'll know when its time to quite the corporate job and return to the fray.
    - ShroudedNight 9y ago
      I assume you're referring to https://www.contabulo.com https://www.contabulo.com With the disclaimer that I'm nothing more than an oddly engaged person on the internet, and least of all a marketing expert, and the caveat that I'm not even likely the target market for this: 1) How does this remain sticky for the long term contrary to traditional wikis? 2) How is this different from other virtual card / sticky note project management options like Zenhub or Trello? 3) What is supposed to be compelling about the demo boards? I can see how the product can potentially fill different niches, but none of them show how productivity is significantly improved as a result. 4) Is the price of $7 a month a per user price? In case it's not obvious, I don't personally need the answer to these questions. I think you could be much more direct and clear about your value. I sort-of get the sense that you're almost ashamed at the possibility that you're better than everything else at solving your chosen problem. But I think both you and your prospective customer would be better served by you directly speaking to the pain you're addressing and why / how your unique solution addresses things better than any other offering you're aware of. Signing up is a pain. How feasible would an immediate ephemeral instance be, where the user signs up in order to save their work? Assuming I'm normal, I'd expect users to be a lot more likely to sign up if they're already convinced that they want something vs still in the 'this looks potentially interesting' stage. I also wonder if you're somewhat low-balling yourself at what I assume is $7 per user month, especially given this is mostly a business oriented product. I think this looks cool, and has the potential to significantly lower engagement friction compared to other solutions, but would like some guidance to condense those good feelings into a clear value proposition. Anyway, hopefully that was useful enough to warrant reading.
- DelightOne 9y ago
  The purpose is not fulfilled but hindered to a big degree. Is a good question.