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Maybe it's just me, but I really wish they would not include music in these presentations. It injects a loaded element in the experience. As well, I may want to

Maybe it's just me, but I really wish they would not include music in these presentations. It injects a loaded element in the experience. As well, I may want to listen to my own audio. I ended up turning off audio, and fortunately there are captions, but that's not always an option. People really have been programmed to have expectations around media, which in some cases prevents inclusion of more subtle and actual elements, and the computer's capabilities to enable different preferences have not been realized.

simplify 9y ago
I agree, the music was a little off-putting. They could have at least gone with a less in-your-face piece.
fermienrico 9y ago
The entire world of media is so frustratingly rotten - from YouTube to TV, advertisements to documentaries, movies and music - everything is so goddamn noisy. An exception to this is - YouTube channel “Primitive Technology”. It’s beautiful, it’s successful and this is what content should be. Unadulterated. Why isn’t media like this anymore? There was a thread about Disney’s camera techonogy in the 50’s and it was so well produced (see my comment history). People spoke with clear enunciation and intent. The world has become a chaotic mess and the only thing I want to do is meditate and get the away from constant bombardment of my senses. I don’t want HDR. I want good content, I don’t care about the material qualities (although 4K moon video makes sense because resolution is the content in this case).
- sangnoir 9y ago
  > Unadulterated. Nothing ever is. Lighting, camera angle, framing (wide shot or close-up), color temperature, camera movement (handheld, dolly ), and focus are some of the things that influence how the viewer feels. Music is one the more overt elements, but nothing is unadulterated, even the sound mixing is an editorial choice - are the bird chirps audible underneath the hammering of the stone chisel?
  - fermienrico 9y ago
    I don’t think my intent was so literal as you portray it. Obviously you are right. I was meaning it as exemplified in PT videos, minimal cognitive load so it’s a pleasure to watch.
  - zokier 9y ago
    Well there is the "Dogme" school of film-making which effectively strives towards less adulterated stuff. Sure, the "official" Dogme95 "vows" might be bit flawed, but those are just one crystallization of the wider concept.
  - andrewwharton 9y ago
    I've also heard there's no true Scotsman either...
    - sangnoir 9y ago
      I bet whoever said that had "no accent" too :-).
- jobigoud 9y ago
  I think it's making or going to make a come back because people do appreciate the sounds of the environment. For example this famous recent action sport movie / advert has just the sound design, no music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHrwcQQ38bA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHrwcQQ38bA It is sound design obviously, but it's interesting that they put that much energy into recreating the feeling of being there through the audio without music. I feel there is a trend of these videos with just sound design or raw sound, rather than the usual epic music.
SnowingXIV 9y ago
I watched this first without any audio and was thinking your comment was in reference to some quiet piano playing in the background or something simple so I didn't think it was going to be that big of a deal but you were right - this really took away a lot from it and quite disappointing.
Asooka 9y ago
Generally I don't mind a subdued audio track on a documentary, but this was especially egregious.
simonebrunozzi 9y ago
And possibly use a CDN... the video is so slow at the moment.

simplify 9y ago

I agree, the music was a little off-putting. They could have at least gone with a less in-your-face piece.

fermienrico 9y ago

The entire world of media is so frustratingly rotten - from YouTube to TV, advertisements to documentaries, movies and music - everything is so goddamn noisy. An exception to this is - YouTube channel “Primitive Technology”. It’s beautiful, it’s successful and this is what content should be. Unadulterated. Why isn’t media like this anymore? There was a thread about Disney’s camera techonogy in the 50’s and it was so well produced (see my comment history). People spoke with clear enunciation and intent. The world has become a chaotic mess and the only thing I want to do is meditate and get the away from constant bombardment of my senses. I don’t want HDR. I want good content, I don’t care about the material qualities (although 4K moon video makes sense because resolution is the content in this case).

sangnoir 9y ago
> Unadulterated. Nothing ever is. Lighting, camera angle, framing (wide shot or close-up), color temperature, camera movement (handheld, dolly ), and focus are some of the things that influence how the viewer feels. Music is one the more overt elements, but nothing is unadulterated, even the sound mixing is an editorial choice - are the bird chirps audible underneath the hammering of the stone chisel?
- fermienrico 9y ago
  I don’t think my intent was so literal as you portray it. Obviously you are right. I was meaning it as exemplified in PT videos, minimal cognitive load so it’s a pleasure to watch.
- zokier 9y ago
  Well there is the "Dogme" school of film-making which effectively strives towards less adulterated stuff. Sure, the "official" Dogme95 "vows" might be bit flawed, but those are just one crystallization of the wider concept.
- andrewwharton 9y ago
  I've also heard there's no true Scotsman either...
  - sangnoir 9y ago
    I bet whoever said that had "no accent" too :-).
jobigoud 9y ago
I think it's making or going to make a come back because people do appreciate the sounds of the environment. For example this famous recent action sport movie / advert has just the sound design, no music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHrwcQQ38bA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHrwcQQ38bA It is sound design obviously, but it's interesting that they put that much energy into recreating the feeling of being there through the audio without music. I feel there is a trend of these videos with just sound design or raw sound, rather than the usual epic music.

SnowingXIV 9y ago

I watched this first without any audio and was thinking your comment was in reference to some quiet piano playing in the background or something simple so I didn't think it was going to be that big of a deal but you were right - this really took away a lot from it and quite disappointing.

Asooka 9y ago

Generally I don't mind a subdued audio track on a documentary, but this was especially egregious.

simonebrunozzi 9y ago

And possibly use a CDN... the video is so slow at the moment.