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[Meta] So far in this thread, there are several comments that could be the grounds for substantive discussion, but don't bother offering the substance. For exa

[Meta] So far in this thread, there are several comments that could be the grounds for substantive discussion, but don't bother offering the substance. For example: Why does jonbarker recommend Anki for going deeper than "complete beginner"? What does zealsham mean by Duolingo lacking a "structural syllabus" and why is that problematic? The conversations can be a very valuable part of HN, but not if most comments are at the level of "I still find their spaced repetition lacking" with only the tiniest bit of elaboration. Hopefully I'm not out of place in encouraging something more substantive.

krelian 9y ago
Standard for HN is it no? Easy criticism and nitpicking without any substantial real-world solutions.
brotoss 9y ago
Welcome Redditors!
skybrian 9y ago
If you're interested in learning more about something someone said, maybe you could reply to them with a question? People often respond well to a bit of encouragement, and replies are more likely to be seen than a meta-comment.
- komali2 9y ago
  No doubt - we're not here to write counter-blogs, just to discuss.
- GavinMcG 9y ago
  Of course, and to the extent that I want answers to those specific questions I'm happy to ask. Asking individual questions, though, doesn't encourage a different mindset in the way that I hope my meta-comment will.
craftyguy 9y ago
Instead of making a "meta" post complaining, you could reply to those folks with your questions. That might help develop the discussions you would like to see more so than this tactic.
- GavinMcG 9y ago
  I don't want to repeat myself[0] too much, but: Of course, and to the extent that I want answers to those specific questions I'm happy to ask. Asking individual questions, though, doesn't encourage a different mindset in the way that I hope my meta-comment will. Also, I take a bit of issue with calling this "complaining". If you think I could have been even more constructive, please point out how. But I'm not just posting a lamentation, here. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16823827 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16823827
luigi23 9y ago
Yeah, it's also bugging me. From a perspective of a person that's really into this topic and creates some stuff/software - this is invaluable info, only if would be more descriptive. Unfortunately most people treat such topics as "this title is bogus, my experience is completely different, here's why in one sentence, since I won't waste any second more about this". And that's why I love real world conversations since you can immediately receive feedback just by asking 'oh why is that'. In Internet this question just strikes the emptiness and that person doesn't feel obliged to provide any feedback. And also makes discussion a mess since commenter doesn't provide any context to challenge that opinion - is he native in X language? Is he student/PhD/professor, etc.

krelian 9y ago

Standard for HN is it no? Easy criticism and nitpicking without any substantial real-world solutions.

brotoss 9y ago

Welcome Redditors!

skybrian 9y ago

If you're interested in learning more about something someone said, maybe you could reply to them with a question? People often respond well to a bit of encouragement, and replies are more likely to be seen than a meta-comment.

komali2 9y ago
No doubt - we're not here to write counter-blogs, just to discuss.
GavinMcG 9y ago
Of course, and to the extent that I want answers to those specific questions I'm happy to ask. Asking individual questions, though, doesn't encourage a different mindset in the way that I hope my meta-comment will.

craftyguy 9y ago

Instead of making a "meta" post complaining, you could reply to those folks with your questions. That might help develop the discussions you would like to see more so than this tactic.

GavinMcG 9y ago
I don't want to repeat myself[0] too much, but: Of course, and to the extent that I want answers to those specific questions I'm happy to ask. Asking individual questions, though, doesn't encourage a different mindset in the way that I hope my meta-comment will. Also, I take a bit of issue with calling this "complaining". If you think I could have been even more constructive, please point out how. But I'm not just posting a lamentation, here. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16823827 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16823827

luigi23 9y ago

Yeah, it's also bugging me. From a perspective of a person that's really into this topic and creates some stuff/software - this is invaluable info, only if would be more descriptive. Unfortunately most people treat such topics as "this title is bogus, my experience is completely different, here's why in one sentence, since I won't waste any second more about this". And that's why I love real world conversations since you can immediately receive feedback just by asking 'oh why is that'. In Internet this question just strikes the emptiness and that person doesn't feel obliged to provide any feedback. And also makes discussion a mess since commenter doesn't provide any context to challenge that opinion - is he native in X language? Is he student/PhD/professor, etc.