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The headline has been updated to say that: > Tesla Was Kicked Off Fatal Crash Probe by NTSB > The National Transportation Safety Board told Tesla Inc. on Wedn

The headline has been updated to say that: > Tesla Was Kicked Off Fatal Crash Probe by NTSB > The National Transportation Safety Board told Tesla Inc. on Wednesday that the carmaker was being removed from the investigation of a fatal accident, prior to the company announcing it had withdrawn from it, according to a person familiar with the discussion. > NTSB Chairman Robert Sumwalt relayed the decision in a call to Tesla’s Elon Musk that was described as tense by the person because the chief executive officer was unhappy with the safety board’s action. NTSB is expected to make a formal announcement in a release later Thursday, said the person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

mcguire 8y ago
"Tesla, in a statement issued late Wednesday, suggested the company chose to leave the probe." Technically, that's sorta true. By releasing information and opinions about the ongoing investigation, Tesla decided not to be a part of it.
- avs733 8y ago
  That is, terrifyingly, the same logic my friends use with their young children.
  - 8bitsrule 8y ago
    Only in this case, it's like a parent giving a kid 'a good shaking' to 'wake them up'. Any 'artificially intelligent' car that can't avoid running straight into something solid right in front of it is dangerously stupid. Elon's age is starting to show.
    - git_rancher 8y ago
      Can we keep age discrimination out of this discussion please?
    - avs733 8y ago
      The age comment manages to be both a non sequitor and an ad hominem so lets ignore that. The issue at play here is far larger than a car having a crash. The issue I was referring to is the actions of Tesla as they respond to the crash. That is cultural and it affects both the process of creating and releasing products as well as the process of responding to their failure. If your product can kill people, and lets be clear - cars can easily kill people SDV or not - you need to act like professionals when something happens. Playing the blame game, in public, and violating the expectations of a body like the NTSB shouldn't garner trust, no matter who is right at a technical level. EDIT: fixed my abysmal grammar.
    - 8bitsrule 8y ago
      Yes, that was ill-considered. My apologies. So instead, Asimov's Rule#1: "A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm."
- FireBeyond 8y ago
  > Technically, that's sorta true. By releasing information and opinions about the ongoing investigation, Tesla decided not to be a part of it. "You can't fire me, I quit!" Also laughable from Tesla's statement. "We are committed to transparency as a company, and NTSB was telling us we couldn't release information about AutoPilot, and that was unacceptable to us". Huh, all those people looking for service manuals may be curious to hear about Tesla's corporate commitment to transparency.
NelsonMinar 8y ago
The HN headline should be updated too.

mcguire 8y ago

"Tesla, in a statement issued late Wednesday, suggested the company chose to leave the probe." Technically, that's sorta true. By releasing information and opinions about the ongoing investigation, Tesla decided not to be a part of it.

avs733 8y ago
That is, terrifyingly, the same logic my friends use with their young children.
- 8bitsrule 8y ago
  Only in this case, it's like a parent giving a kid 'a good shaking' to 'wake them up'. Any 'artificially intelligent' car that can't avoid running straight into something solid right in front of it is dangerously stupid. Elon's age is starting to show.
  - git_rancher 8y ago
    Can we keep age discrimination out of this discussion please?
  - avs733 8y ago
    The age comment manages to be both a non sequitor and an ad hominem so lets ignore that. The issue at play here is far larger than a car having a crash. The issue I was referring to is the actions of Tesla as they respond to the crash. That is cultural and it affects both the process of creating and releasing products as well as the process of responding to their failure. If your product can kill people, and lets be clear - cars can easily kill people SDV or not - you need to act like professionals when something happens. Playing the blame game, in public, and violating the expectations of a body like the NTSB shouldn't garner trust, no matter who is right at a technical level. EDIT: fixed my abysmal grammar.
  - 8bitsrule 8y ago
    Yes, that was ill-considered. My apologies. So instead, Asimov's Rule#1: "A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm."
FireBeyond 8y ago
> Technically, that's sorta true. By releasing information and opinions about the ongoing investigation, Tesla decided not to be a part of it. "You can't fire me, I quit!" Also laughable from Tesla's statement. "We are committed to transparency as a company, and NTSB was telling us we couldn't release information about AutoPilot, and that was unacceptable to us". Huh, all those people looking for service manuals may be curious to hear about Tesla's corporate commitment to transparency.

NelsonMinar 8y ago

The HN headline should be updated too.