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He feels lost. Like some dude who had no idea with 19, got the proper idea by chance / zeitgeist, gathered a lot of good people around him who build all of it

by sigi45 9y ago

He feels lost. Like some dude who had no idea with 19, got the proper idea by chance / zeitgeist, gathered a lot of good people around him who build all of it and now he is unbelievable rich, boss of a way to influencel company and has no clue about it. He doesn't feel like a Bill Gates or Buffet or any other rich known person. /shrug

waterside81 9y ago
Totally agree. Watching his testimony, how he handled himself, the way he spoke, you really get the sense that he's just a kid who got lucky rather then this business savant.
- sametmax 9y ago
  You can't get lucky for so long, for so many things. He got poor public facing skills, which just means he has even stronger other talents that he is using where can't see what's happening. Don't underestimate a guy who built a billion dollar empire and sits on the biggest potential dictatorship tool in human history. Now the funny thing is that his presidential ambitions seem to be dead for now. It's interesting...
  - sigi45 9y ago
    If your luck gives you a billion dollars, yes you don't need any other talent after that.
    - sametmax 9y ago
      Luck can't give you a billion dollar alone, simply because accumulating said money is a long and complicated process. It didn't happen overnight, and it was not a lottery. Plus there are many people with money going broke, or not having power.
- dboreham 9y ago
  He's considered a business savant because he somehow outwitted the VCs (and therefore kept a sizable proportion of his company through to IPO).
dsacco 9y ago
Do you think because of his responses and demeanor during the hearing or because of his overall leadership at Facebook? If it's both, which one of those made you consciously think about it first?
- sigi45 9y ago
  I had this feeling for a while. From a technical standpoint and from a political standpoint. Facebook feels like the small brother of all those big impressive companies who did things, invented things and formed technology like i know it. Google, Microsoft etc. Facebook on the other hand feels strange. Political speaking: they are reacting and not acting. This hearing made it more obvious than ever.
billfruit 9y ago
Perhaps he has got broderline Asperger's/autism spectrum. These may cause a fragmented conversational pattern, where the thoughts are trying to catch up with utterances.
- 908087 9y ago
  I feel like some friends of mine who are actually on the spectrum would be insulted seeing Mark's blatant lies and question dodging excused in this manner.
loceng 9y ago
He stole the idea from the twin brothers who hired him and used the leading metric of @university email addresses to create contextual-relational importance for viral growth, so it's not surprising. Makes me wonder if he or someone else came up with/suggested original The Facebook name. I don't think Mark's developed the open pathways for deep critical thinking, say that Elon Musk's thoughts all stem from - foundational principles being something he's commonly referred to.
- dsacco 9y ago
  > He stole the idea from the twin brothers who hired him and used the leading metric of @university email addresses to create contextual-relational importance for viral growth, so it's not surprising. While uncharitably stated, in my opinion this demonstrates a lot of technical ability and business savvy.
  - loceng 9y ago
    Sure, intelligence can exist and people can function and be very successful psychopaths - disconnected from emotion, empathy and the like - disconnected from holistic understanding and having your logic to include how feelings should influence decisions. It's really a difference of understanding right and wrong vs. if you react to the feelings of right or wrong. If you're able to suppress/repress feelings, right and wrong and other, through use of control (usually formed as a coping mechanism of ego mind) then you'll be able to do what others would find more unethical than not; I suppose people will may do a risk/reward analysis. It's heavily why many people find Mark's facial expressions to be quite muted, robotic - giving birth to the Data from Star Trek meme. I don't think he's a lost cause, however he's certainly still controlling and calculating, I think he likely has deep healing that needs to happen, however his ego mind having full control got him this far and so he'll have a lot to process, self-forgiveness and such. This controlling thought and behaviour certainly floods into Facebook's ecosystem of a closed-system; I wrote blog post many years ago relating to controlled vs. managed ecosystems.
    - dsacco 9y ago
3pt14159 9y ago
He's just under a ton of stress. Talk to anyone who actually knows Zuck. He's a compassionate liberal that gets a bit intense at times, but he's both incredibly intelligent and fully aware of whats riding on his decisions. Bill Gates has a different personality, but he also grew wealthy in a different time. The world was unipolar under American leadership, and Microsoft was a key element to American power. Gates could focus his energy on fighting malaria and studying flu epidemics. The world Zuck lives in is far different. Machine learning is taking off, China is ascendant, and America / the liberal order is asymmetrically exposed.
- nomy99 9y ago
  Brilliantly crafted; you can write a book on this topic. I never connected Tech with geopolitical and national stances.
- sigi45 9y ago
  He had enough time to grow in his position. He has enough money to grow as well. Bill Gates is/was an guy who build Microsoft. Zuckerberg got lucky with facebook. There is not much to build because the whole it world already exists. He as a human being brought more distress to this world as anything he is doing with his money to help, can't fix. Tx to his luck with the Zeitgeist, he is facebook and because of his incompetence, facebook hurts us all.
_jal 9y ago
Nah. He's been running the same scam since he started, as exemplified by that famous quote: [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks. He's still doing the same thing.
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- dsacco 9y ago
  I think most people would look just as nefarious if private conversations from their college years were selectively publicized. For all of his failings it's unfortunate that at 33 years old, Mark Zuckerberg still has people vilifying him using quotes he made when he was 22 years old.
  - TheLegace 9y ago
    Seems kind of ironic doesn't it?
  - _jal 9y ago
    If I thought his behavior was materially different (aside from capability) 11 years later, I'd drop it, just like I have with many other people who grew out of or otherwise dealt with their early problems. On the other hand, I also repeat things about a person I know who stole from me many years ago. That person happens to be in jail for, among other things, theft. The problem here is that he was and is rewarded for the bad behavior, so he keeps repeating it.

by sigi45 9y ago

waterside81 9y ago

Totally agree. Watching his testimony, how he handled himself, the way he spoke, you really get the sense that he's just a kid who got lucky rather then this business savant.

sametmax 9y ago
You can't get lucky for so long, for so many things. He got poor public facing skills, which just means he has even stronger other talents that he is using where can't see what's happening. Don't underestimate a guy who built a billion dollar empire and sits on the biggest potential dictatorship tool in human history. Now the funny thing is that his presidential ambitions seem to be dead for now. It's interesting...
- sigi45 9y ago
  If your luck gives you a billion dollars, yes you don't need any other talent after that.
  - sametmax 9y ago
    Luck can't give you a billion dollar alone, simply because accumulating said money is a long and complicated process. It didn't happen overnight, and it was not a lottery. Plus there are many people with money going broke, or not having power.
dboreham 9y ago
He's considered a business savant because he somehow outwitted the VCs (and therefore kept a sizable proportion of his company through to IPO).

dsacco 9y ago

Do you think because of his responses and demeanor during the hearing or because of his overall leadership at Facebook? If it's both, which one of those made you consciously think about it first?

sigi45 9y ago
I had this feeling for a while. From a technical standpoint and from a political standpoint. Facebook feels like the small brother of all those big impressive companies who did things, invented things and formed technology like i know it. Google, Microsoft etc. Facebook on the other hand feels strange. Political speaking: they are reacting and not acting. This hearing made it more obvious than ever.

billfruit 9y ago

Perhaps he has got broderline Asperger's/autism spectrum. These may cause a fragmented conversational pattern, where the thoughts are trying to catch up with utterances.

908087 9y ago
I feel like some friends of mine who are actually on the spectrum would be insulted seeing Mark's blatant lies and question dodging excused in this manner.

loceng 9y ago

He stole the idea from the twin brothers who hired him and used the leading metric of @university email addresses to create contextual-relational importance for viral growth, so it's not surprising. Makes me wonder if he or someone else came up with/suggested original The Facebook name. I don't think Mark's developed the open pathways for deep critical thinking, say that Elon Musk's thoughts all stem from - foundational principles being something he's commonly referred to.

dsacco 9y ago
> He stole the idea from the twin brothers who hired him and used the leading metric of @university email addresses to create contextual-relational importance for viral growth, so it's not surprising. While uncharitably stated, in my opinion this demonstrates a lot of technical ability and business savvy.
- loceng 9y ago
  Sure, intelligence can exist and people can function and be very successful psychopaths - disconnected from emotion, empathy and the like - disconnected from holistic understanding and having your logic to include how feelings should influence decisions. It's really a difference of understanding right and wrong vs. if you react to the feelings of right or wrong. If you're able to suppress/repress feelings, right and wrong and other, through use of control (usually formed as a coping mechanism of ego mind) then you'll be able to do what others would find more unethical than not; I suppose people will may do a risk/reward analysis. It's heavily why many people find Mark's facial expressions to be quite muted, robotic - giving birth to the Data from Star Trek meme. I don't think he's a lost cause, however he's certainly still controlling and calculating, I think he likely has deep healing that needs to happen, however his ego mind having full control got him this far and so he'll have a lot to process, self-forgiveness and such. This controlling thought and behaviour certainly floods into Facebook's ecosystem of a closed-system; I wrote blog post many years ago relating to controlled vs. managed ecosystems.
  - dsacco 9y ago

3pt14159 9y ago

He's just under a ton of stress. Talk to anyone who actually knows Zuck. He's a compassionate liberal that gets a bit intense at times, but he's both incredibly intelligent and fully aware of whats riding on his decisions. Bill Gates has a different personality, but he also grew wealthy in a different time. The world was unipolar under American leadership, and Microsoft was a key element to American power. Gates could focus his energy on fighting malaria and studying flu epidemics. The world Zuck lives in is far different. Machine learning is taking off, China is ascendant, and America / the liberal order is asymmetrically exposed.

nomy99 9y ago
Brilliantly crafted; you can write a book on this topic. I never connected Tech with geopolitical and national stances.
sigi45 9y ago
He had enough time to grow in his position. He has enough money to grow as well. Bill Gates is/was an guy who build Microsoft. Zuckerberg got lucky with facebook. There is not much to build because the whole it world already exists. He as a human being brought more distress to this world as anything he is doing with his money to help, can't fix. Tx to his luck with the Zeitgeist, he is facebook and because of his incompetence, facebook hurts us all.

_jal 9y ago

Nah. He's been running the same scam since he started, as exemplified by that famous quote: [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks. He's still doing the same thing.

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dsacco 9y ago
I think most people would look just as nefarious if private conversations from their college years were selectively publicized. For all of his failings it's unfortunate that at 33 years old, Mark Zuckerberg still has people vilifying him using quotes he made when he was 22 years old.
- TheLegace 9y ago
  Seems kind of ironic doesn't it?
- _jal 9y ago
  If I thought his behavior was materially different (aside from capability) 11 years later, I'd drop it, just like I have with many other people who grew out of or otherwise dealt with their early problems. On the other hand, I also repeat things about a person I know who stole from me many years ago. That person happens to be in jail for, among other things, theft. The problem here is that he was and is rewarded for the bad behavior, so he keeps repeating it.