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From the web page: """ What did this study do? [...] * an additional 30 minutes of physical activity each day * a family cooking workshop each term * in co

by cies 9y ago

From the web page: """ What did this study do? [...] * an additional 30 minutes of physical activity each day * a family cooking workshop each term * in collaboration with local Aston Villa Football Club, three sessions of coaching in physical activities and two on preparing healthy meals, with weekly activity and healthy eating “challenges” * information sheets about staying active during the holidays, with signposting to local facilities """ So 1.5/4 points about diet, and the rest about exercise. Thus mostly focused on exercise. While diabetes is known to be preventable/reversible by primarily diet. Specifically by removing processed foods (that includes oils, refined starches and sugar) and animal(-derived) products (as they are high in saturated fats), while adding lots of whole plant foods. And not only for cooked meals, but for all meals and snacks. Seems to me they've been trying to optimize the wrong parameters. Just my 2ct.

ForRealsies 9y ago
Well the government isn't about to starve 6 year old kids to increase their insulin sensitivity, what do you expect? Mandating kids to do <activity> is 100x easier than mandating parents NOT to do something.
arkh 9y ago
And the diet part is about healthy (at the time) meals. Just learn to count calories, how much you need and avoid excesses. Bad food in small portions is better than huge amounts of healthy calories.
- SCHiM 9y ago
  Research is not yet clear, but not every calorie is the same! The combination of nutrients in food can have a large effect on the efficiency of nutrient extraction in your stomach and gut. For example, when you consume alchol and a meal afterwards your body will store more fat than if you'd just taken a (slightly larger) meal. This is because your body will prioritize burning the acetate and alchol over anything else (including carbs, fat and protein). Other foods or chemicals might have effects on the resource burning allocation of your body.
  - zbentley 9y ago
    Citation/source?
    - crottypeter 9y ago
      https://youtu.be/T8G8tLsl_A4 https://youtu.be/T8G8tLsl_A4
  - RealityVoid 9y ago
    Even if you had definitive proof of this, I think OP's assertion still stands. Concerning yourself with highly complex reactions that could happen between foods, when we aren't even sure how/if those reactions happen is effort spent unwisely, whereas calorie counting has a definitive effect and even if those combinations can hamper or help you, even by ignoring them, you still have the overall desired result. I find that, as a model, calorie in - calorie out works well, even if at some future time we would discover it's not fully accurate.
    - slothtrop 9y ago
      >Concerning yourself with highly complex reactions that could happen between foods This isn't necessitated at all. There's no mystery as to what overlaps between what the most successful food regimens prescribe today: cut sugar, cut refined foods, eat more vegetables and eat real food. Counting calories is important when it comes to weight management, but optimal health does not stop and start just at BMI. You might be thinner on a calorie-restricted junk-food diet, but you won't be healthier. Your insulin would spike all the time, you'd be nutrient-deficient, etc.
      - RealityVoid 9y ago
        I agree that a certain well thought diet could have further health benefits but the context of the post is obesity prevention.
        slothtrop 9y ago
- cies 9y ago
  I disagree, when eating natural unprocessed plant foods it is virtually impossible to OD on calories. Sure we need to eat varied. But ODin on calories on a whole-plant-based (WFPB) diet will need you to go straight for the avocados, dates and nuts. Otherwise you are pretty much safe. When moving towards a WFPB myself I had to get used to eating much larger portions. Its bizarre to know how many olives one needs to eat to get the same amount of fats as in one tbsp of olive oil. Also, combined with the fiber in the olives, that same fat is suddenly not that harmful. Counting calories sucks. I hope we can fix our notion of food in a way that we do not have to teach all children to count calories. Just teach them to differentiate between real food (as it was growing on this planet before we evolved into humans) an what comes from a factory. The go to the beach and show them how your food choices affect you. > Bad food in small portions is better than huge amounts of healthy calories. 2 strips of bacon vs a 500gr monster salad..? I know my pick.
  - RealityVoid 9y ago
    > I disagree, when eating natural unprocessed plant foods it is virtually impossible to OD on calories. Sure we need to eat varied. But ODin on calories on a whole-plant-based (WFPB) diet will need you to go straight for the avocados, dates and nuts. Otherwise you are pretty much safe. You're not really contradicting OP, just outlining simple and obvious ways to reduce calories. The end effect is the same. The best part of the salad is not that it's vegetable, not that it's more natural, but that it's low in calories. > 2 strips of bacon vs a 500gr monster salad..? I know my pick. I don't know, what else do you have in that salad? Sauce? What kind? Croutons?
    - cies 9y ago
      > The best part of the salad is not that it's vegetable, not that it's more natural, but that it's low in calories. Nope. It about nutrients/calorie, which is high in a salad. Try playing with the cronometer.com app and you'll see what I mean. It's not so easy to get all the bars in green. > I don't know, what else do you have in that salad? Sauce? What kind? Croutons? WFPB salad, no oil, no processed junk.
- Cthulhu_ 9y ago
  > Just learn to count calories, how much you need and avoid excesses. Easy enough to say, but hard when you're trying to get a 6-7 year old (what this article is about) to adopt that lifestyle - that's an age where they eat what they're being served. Given this is in the UK, part would be the school lunch - which is directed by things like cost and preparation time/effort (Jamie Oliver did a series about this) - and part is the parents that feed the kids.

by cies 9y ago

ForRealsies 9y ago

Well the government isn't about to starve 6 year old kids to increase their insulin sensitivity, what do you expect? Mandating kids to do <activity> is 100x easier than mandating parents NOT to do something.

arkh 9y ago

And the diet part is about healthy (at the time) meals. Just learn to count calories, how much you need and avoid excesses. Bad food in small portions is better than huge amounts of healthy calories.

SCHiM 9y ago
Research is not yet clear, but not every calorie is the same! The combination of nutrients in food can have a large effect on the efficiency of nutrient extraction in your stomach and gut. For example, when you consume alchol and a meal afterwards your body will store more fat than if you'd just taken a (slightly larger) meal. This is because your body will prioritize burning the acetate and alchol over anything else (including carbs, fat and protein). Other foods or chemicals might have effects on the resource burning allocation of your body.
- zbentley 9y ago
  Citation/source?
  - crottypeter 9y ago
    https://youtu.be/T8G8tLsl_A4 https://youtu.be/T8G8tLsl_A4
- RealityVoid 9y ago
  Even if you had definitive proof of this, I think OP's assertion still stands. Concerning yourself with highly complex reactions that could happen between foods, when we aren't even sure how/if those reactions happen is effort spent unwisely, whereas calorie counting has a definitive effect and even if those combinations can hamper or help you, even by ignoring them, you still have the overall desired result. I find that, as a model, calorie in - calorie out works well, even if at some future time we would discover it's not fully accurate.
  - slothtrop 9y ago
    >Concerning yourself with highly complex reactions that could happen between foods This isn't necessitated at all. There's no mystery as to what overlaps between what the most successful food regimens prescribe today: cut sugar, cut refined foods, eat more vegetables and eat real food. Counting calories is important when it comes to weight management, but optimal health does not stop and start just at BMI. You might be thinner on a calorie-restricted junk-food diet, but you won't be healthier. Your insulin would spike all the time, you'd be nutrient-deficient, etc.
    - RealityVoid 9y ago
      I agree that a certain well thought diet could have further health benefits but the context of the post is obesity prevention.
      - slothtrop 9y ago
cies 9y ago
I disagree, when eating natural unprocessed plant foods it is virtually impossible to OD on calories. Sure we need to eat varied. But ODin on calories on a whole-plant-based (WFPB) diet will need you to go straight for the avocados, dates and nuts. Otherwise you are pretty much safe. When moving towards a WFPB myself I had to get used to eating much larger portions. Its bizarre to know how many olives one needs to eat to get the same amount of fats as in one tbsp of olive oil. Also, combined with the fiber in the olives, that same fat is suddenly not that harmful. Counting calories sucks. I hope we can fix our notion of food in a way that we do not have to teach all children to count calories. Just teach them to differentiate between real food (as it was growing on this planet before we evolved into humans) an what comes from a factory. The go to the beach and show them how your food choices affect you. > Bad food in small portions is better than huge amounts of healthy calories. 2 strips of bacon vs a 500gr monster salad..? I know my pick.
- RealityVoid 9y ago
  > I disagree, when eating natural unprocessed plant foods it is virtually impossible to OD on calories. Sure we need to eat varied. But ODin on calories on a whole-plant-based (WFPB) diet will need you to go straight for the avocados, dates and nuts. Otherwise you are pretty much safe. You're not really contradicting OP, just outlining simple and obvious ways to reduce calories. The end effect is the same. The best part of the salad is not that it's vegetable, not that it's more natural, but that it's low in calories. > 2 strips of bacon vs a 500gr monster salad..? I know my pick. I don't know, what else do you have in that salad? Sauce? What kind? Croutons?
  - cies 9y ago
    > The best part of the salad is not that it's vegetable, not that it's more natural, but that it's low in calories. Nope. It about nutrients/calorie, which is high in a salad. Try playing with the cronometer.com app and you'll see what I mean. It's not so easy to get all the bars in green. > I don't know, what else do you have in that salad? Sauce? What kind? Croutons? WFPB salad, no oil, no processed junk.
Cthulhu_ 9y ago
> Just learn to count calories, how much you need and avoid excesses. Easy enough to say, but hard when you're trying to get a 6-7 year old (what this article is about) to adopt that lifestyle - that's an age where they eat what they're being served. Given this is in the UK, part would be the school lunch - which is directed by things like cost and preparation time/effort (Jamie Oliver did a series about this) - and part is the parents that feed the kids.