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C++ has shrunk a lot in the mindshare since its peak in mid-90s. And Rust is the trendy thing now in the same space.

by varjag 9y ago

pjmlp 9y ago
Only if we are speaking about enterprise CRUD apps that used to be done in MFC, OWL, VCL, Motif++. OpenCL lost to CUDA because it did not natively supported C++, only when it was too late. NVidia has designed Volta specifically to run CUDA C++ code. There is no C left on game consoles SDKs or major middleware engines. All major C compilers are written in C++. Microsoft has replaced their C runtime library by one written in C++, exposing the entry points as extern "C". Beyond the Linux kernel, all native parts on Android are written in C++. The majority of deep learning APIs being used from Python, R and friends are written in C++. Darwin uses a C++ subset on IO Kit, and Metal shaders are C++14. AUTOSAR has updated their guidelines to use C++14 instead of C. All major modern research OSes are being done in C++, like Genode. Arduino Wiring and ARM mbed are written in C++. As for Rust, while I do like it a lot, it still cannot compete with C++ in many key areas, like amount of supported hardware, GUI frameworks and available tooling.
- mlvljr 9y ago
  Will be call OP a liar, fanboy gents?
- lemoncucumber 9y ago
  IOKit dates to c. 2000 so it’s hardly a modern example and even people at Apple bitch about the fact that they went with C++.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Most likely because they dropped Objective-C driver framework from NeXTSTEP. They are surely a vocal minority, otherwise Metal shaders wouldn't be C++14.
- Matthias247 9y ago
  > AUTOSAR has updated their guidelines to use C++14 instead of C. Really? Interesting thing. You mean for "standard/legacy" autosar, or for the new "dynamic" variant? When I was back in automotive, the autosar design(s) where probably the ones software people were mostly complaining about.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    BMW were the ones pushing it. I am no expert there, learned it from their presentation at FOSDEM last year. https://archive.fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/succes_failure_autonomous_driving/ https://archive.fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/succes_failur... Page 12 on the second slideset.

C++ has shrunk a lot in the mindshare since its peak in mid-90s. And Rust is the trendy thing now in the same space.

by varjag 9y ago

C++ has shrunk a lot in the mindshare since its peak in mid-90s. And Rust is the trendy thing now in the same space.

Only if we are speaking about enterprise CRUD apps that used to be done in MFC, OWL, VCL, Motif++. OpenCL lost to CUDA because it did not natively supported C++, only when it was too late. NVidia has designed Volta specifically to run CUDA C++ code. There is no C left on game consoles SDKs or major middleware engines. All major C compilers are written in C++. Microsoft has replaced their C runtime library by one written in C++, exposing the entry points as extern "C". Beyond the Linux kernel, all native parts on Android are written in C++. The majority of deep learning APIs being used from Python, R and friends are written in C++. Darwin uses a C++ subset on IO Kit, and Metal shaders are C++14. AUTOSAR has updated their guidelines to use C++14 instead of C. All major modern research OSes are being done in C++, like Genode. Arduino Wiring and ARM mbed are written in C++. As for Rust, while I do like it a lot, it still cannot compete with C++ in many key areas, like amount of supported hardware, GUI frameworks and available tooling.

mlvljr 9y ago
Will be call OP a liar, fanboy gents?
lemoncucumber 9y ago
IOKit dates to c. 2000 so it’s hardly a modern example and even people at Apple bitch about the fact that they went with C++.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  Most likely because they dropped Objective-C driver framework from NeXTSTEP. They are surely a vocal minority, otherwise Metal shaders wouldn't be C++14.
Matthias247 9y ago
> AUTOSAR has updated their guidelines to use C++14 instead of C. Really? Interesting thing. You mean for "standard/legacy" autosar, or for the new "dynamic" variant? When I was back in automotive, the autosar design(s) where probably the ones software people were mostly complaining about.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  BMW were the ones pushing it. I am no expert there, learned it from their presentation at FOSDEM last year. https://archive.fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/succes_failure_autonomous_driving/ https://archive.fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/succes_failur... Page 12 on the second slideset.