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Ask HN: Who regulary wears a suit and tie to the the office?
Can you share your experience and advice with us?
Follow-up: have you considered it but not sure how to start?
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- seattle_spring 9y agoDo you mean people that wear a suit and tie in an environment where most people are in jeans or shorts? Please, please don't be that guy.
- quickthrower2 9y ago> Please, please don't be that guy. What's wrong with it? Unless it's a dress code that you need to wear Jeans, you should be able to wear something smarter without fear.
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- kojeovo 9y ago> smarter A fedora, right?
- artsyxxx 9y agoWe used to wear a pink hat during production deploys. There is definitely a semaphore phenomenon that comes with ties and pocket squares.
- artsyxxx 9y agoTruth is as coders we understand we can do whatever the fuck we please, so wearing a suit or a gorilla costume are equally acceptable if they help get the job done. Edit : cuss word added for effect. Not sure if you guys and gals also talk like proverbial sailors at work sometimes. Try doing it with the halo effect turned on
- is_true 9y agoSome people get extra confidence from clothing. It might be something worth exploiting
- artsyxxx 9y agoThe word confidence is overloaded and means many things to each person. It's worthy of a discussion in its own right.
- artsyxxx 9y agoI care to explore this comment it should not be ignored. The confidence ultimately comes from the trusty aspect of the suit, not from any inflation of the ego. The pride associated with wearing suits and ties is a rookie phenomenon. Anyone who wears suits long term realizes it's a humbling display of modesty and equality in actual fact, contrary to conventional wisdom.
- artsyxxx 9y agoI care to explore this comment it should not be ignored. The confidence ultimately comes from the trusty aspect of the suit, not from any inflation of the ego. The pride associated with wearing suits and ties is a rookie phenomenon. Anyone who wears suits long term realizes it's a humbling display of modesty and equality in actual fact, contrary to conventional wisdom.
- kat 9y agoI agree. I have friends who wear makeup to work that reason. The confidence from looking like they are put-together. I imagine wearing a suit can be the same mental confidence.
- artsyxxx 9y agoMost certainly the put together effect cannot be understated. I looked up the definition of confidence one day and fundamentally it means holding onto some intimate knowledge like a secret that provides an advantage to the holder. It has grown to mean so wany things it's one of those words like 'agile' where agreement on terminology ironically masks disagreement on ultimate meaning.
- k4ch0w 9y agoSome people do it to exploit the Halo effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect
- wingerlang 9y agoThere's a youtube who always wears a suit in his videos, here he talks about why he started (and continues). It's quite interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqp5zI4Ng_s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqp5zI4Ng_s
- artsyxxx 9y agoThe halo effect is definitely one aspect, also the Diderot effect or California effect. There are many other nuances I care very much to understand, one of them being a possible memory palace effect.
- artsyxxx 9y agoI'd like to know all about it from any perspective. I've come to learn the reasons people do things are varied and worthy of respect. It may seem outwardly that one is exhibiting a certain behavior for one reason whereas the truth may underlie a completely different motivation. The question relates to coders who prefer a suit and tie for any reason and we're hoping to understand what those reasons are. The cultural and societal implications are important and extend from the personal and individual motivations. Here is a video that came up on Digg which underscores this idea. http://digg.com/video/mind-body-problem http://digg.com/video/mind-body-problem People make all sorts of assumptions. We treat casual clothes like a form of democracy, what if professional clothes fit the same heuristic?
- artsyxxx 9y agoI had a long think on this, it occured to me that fitting in was not always the intention of casual office attire. One inhention originally was to fly in the face of convention and show a level of superiority due to technical prowess versus the squares in suits. There's a sociological phenomenon which escapes me. The same reason teenage girls go out in public with trackpants and messed up hair.
- cafard 9y agoI am the son of a geologist. My father spent his career working around crushed or ground minerals, and the chemicals applied to them. The trousers he kept to do his own coal sections would have been rejected by a fair proportion of the homeless population. He was a wonderful man, but not much of a model for what one wore to work. I married the daughter of a manager, who in fact started giving input on my wardrobe before we were married--I think before we were particularly serious. Since we married, she has generally set out my work clothes. Monday through Thursday, this includes a tie. September through May, it includes a jacket. On an irregular basis it will be a suit. At the job where we met, I was expected to wear jacket and tie to customer sites. At the next--a government contractor--I was expected to wear a tie. At this one, nobody cares. I have been here long enough that people would certainly notice if I started to show up in tee shirt and jeans, or even omitted the tie, but I don't think anybody cares one way or another. Most employees here wear what I'd call business casual. In a building with about 250 persons, there might be five other men who wear ties, and a few more women who wear something comparably dressy. My advice: blend in. Don't give people an excuse to reject you.
- artsyxxx 9y agoIt's cool of you to share bro. I would care we reserve judgement and the urge to draw conclusions until we have collected a lot of evidence. My father too has a PhD and dresses like mantracker. Blending in is a societal concern we can address once we settle the personal ones. I'll share one reason I wear a tie, it helps with my hypertension from stress and helps me contain my anger at technical debt and things of that nature. I wear a jacket for all the pockets. It's like cargo pants but with a different cultural perception. We're after personal choices here. Edit: my pockets have sub pockets into which I put desk keys and the like.
- CM30 9y agoI've done it a few times, usually because it provides a distinction between working at home (on side projects) and working in the office (on work related ones). Keeps me from getting sidetracked by random things and what not. Sometimes helps you look smart on the journey too, if you're travelling through a more businesslike area to get to work.
- artsyxxx 9y agoYes! The separation of work-life is huge. I've thrown a bowtie into the mix too for added levels. As well, the message the bowtie sends is impossible to put into words. It shows you don't give a damn about what anyone thinks but you still care immensely. Contrast with ripped jeans which would have to be very distinctly tailored to give off the same vibe.
- Kevin_S 9y agoI am required, but I am not technical. Financial consultant for a government client. If you have to, I suggest getting the best pants you can afford. I wear dress pants that are slim fit but have some stretch to them, making them infinitely more comfortable. It sucks horribly. I am very into fashion and dressing up and buy nice clothes, but holy shit ties on a daily basis are the worst thing ever. And I don't even get to wear fun formal wear - I am stuck in conservative colors and such. I am going back to school this Fall and am looking forward to dressing more casually day-to-day.
- artsyxxx 9y agoTotally understand your sentiment. If I may ask, when you look at men like Don Draper in a suit and tie or politicians etc. do you surmise they too are uncomfortable? In other words do you believe it's impossible to be comfortable in a suit and tie? In my case, like a swaddled baby I'm happy as a clam in strawberry jam. Ironically, tightening the tie makes me more comfortable. I agree on getting the best you can afford. I'd estimate paying about 2-4% of pre-tax income yearly and buying Brooks Brothers suits exclusively. There are added benefits to $1000+ suits. And shirt collars matter. Stiffer collars at your exact neck size distribute the pressure of the tie and make it super comfortable. At this point my suit is as indenspensible and trusty as my top-of-the line retina MacBook Pro. I've understood why it's called an investment. Edit: the same rule applies to shoes and of course I'm talking sticker price, not register price. There are seasonal sales.
- LurkinGrue 9y agoWhat advice are you looking for? Fashion? Where to buy? Fit? How to wear a suit when coworkers don’t? My advice for fashion and fit is to find a picture of something you like and go to a reputable men’s suit retailer. They will help you ensure a proper fit and offer custom tailoring (which might not be optional). Get the suit tailored and give feedback as to how you like your clothes to fit. Take the shoes you want to wear with the suit. Allow the tailor to measure you and help you with the fit for your body type. When you pick up the suit after tailoring, try it on again to ensure it is how you expected it. If not, have them make adjustments. A suit that is uncomfortable stays in the closet. Pick out two different color shirts and two different color ties. Again, the professional at the store you picked can help with color, fit, and selection. This will make your suit more flexible. Be prepared to spend some extra money on appropriate accessories as well (like a belt and socks). Ask for a garment bag with your purchase to ensure you keep your new purchase in good shape while hanging in your closet. Dry cleaning is a must with a nice suit, but if your don’t expose it to harsh treatment (rain, wind, dirt, etc) you should be good with several wears before cleaning is necessary.
- artsyxxx 9y agoHey! It sounds like you're familiar with the ins and outs. This is great advice for anyone and personally I have selected Brooks Bros. as a one stop shop for all my needs. (not paid for the endorsement) Can you tell us about your journey in terms of workplace dress and how it has served you? On the subject of fit, I'd care to indicate 'fit' is a door that swings more than one way. It's how the clothes fit on the person as well as how well they fit into the situation. Clothing becomes an important measure of awareness on a corporate or societal scale but the task of this thread is to examine personal motivations and inspirations so to speak.
- JoeAltmaier 9y agoI work from a home office, so I rarely wear anything. BUT when I leave the house, its in full kit. Because I like to. Its nice to look good.
- artsyxxx 9y agoIt's nice to feel good. Daps to that. What would full kit be in your case, if we may ask? Sounds like we're somewhere in the UK?
- JoeAltmaier 9y agoOops no, I'm in Iowa, USA and live in the boonies. I go into town for lunch most days, in a long-sleeved dress shirt, suit pants, a tie (but I wear a bolo), a jacket and decent shoes. Not terribly fancy but not 'casual' at all.
- artsyxxx 9y agoBolo for the #yolo! I'm gonna have to pick one up next time in Texas or Nevada, or Iowa! I'd like one with an Egyptian looking scarab beetle or maybe a sort of butterfly or bird motif? https://www.birchbox.com/guide/article/how-to-wear-bolo-tie https://www.birchbox.com/guide/article/how-to-wear-bolo-tie Wicked to know we're representing on all levels. I'd best start with cowboy boots though.. I had this idea of wearing a camelhair jacket; the bolo would a absolutely kill it.
- JoeAltmaier 9y agoI have to admit - my ties are not all southwest/native in design. I make them myself and use all sorts of stones, blown glass, fossils and even wood emblems. Of course I make silver-and-turquois (the most common request I get!) too. The turquoise I get these days is all synthetic; the American deposits of real turquoise are long run out. I found a cloisonné fish in a shop once, and made a tie for my niece who's getting a PhD in fisheries. She loved it!
- gormz 9y agoI want to find an office that doesn't care when I come in with jeans and a cut-off. I'm a programmer, everyone knows we're not client facing in any clothes.
- artsyxxx 9y agoLet's see what we can learn from our colleagues who diverge from the hoi polloi.
- relaunched 9y agoVint Cerf!
- artsyxxx 9y agoBrrruh! I could kiss you!