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"not convinced that even Google" Google CAN'T do something small, simple and elegant, partly for the very reason that they're too big.

eli_gottlieb 9y ago
Google also can't be convinced to carry a project through to completion and release /salty.
- qarioz 9y ago
  Google is very good in marketing. For example go.
  - meddlepal 9y ago
    Go has been a success as well because of that marketing machine.
  - weberc2 9y ago
    Why do people say this? What marketing has Google ever done for Go?
    - skykooler 9y ago
      Making it the first Google result for "go"? (Instead of the verb, or the game)
      - zaarn 9y ago
        When I search "go" on google the first result I get is a package courier, then the game, then the verb... then comes Golang though.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      Its branding and companies using the language with hopes of being acquired by them is already good enough. Had Go been released at AT&T and it would have shared the same fate as Limbo.
      - weberc2 9y ago
        > companies using the language with hopes of being acquired by them This is beyond belief. What companies are using Go with the hopes of being acquired by Google? Does anyone honestly believe that Google's acquisitions teams know or care about programming languages? Any business that acquires companies on that basis is doomed to failure, as is any company that hopes to be acquired on that basis.
        geodel 9y ago
        Well if one doesn't like something, they have to come up with part hilarious and part wild assertions like this.
      - ddalex 9y ago
        as what ?
    - mkl 9y ago
      Sponsoring Go introduction workshops for university undergrads, complete with Google-swag prizes and actual Google employees flown in from another country. So, quite a lot if that experience is anything to go by.
    - geodel 9y ago
      The idea here is if it worked its marketing but if it doesn't its market that has spoken.
    - yebyen 9y ago
      I will say that my professor Axel Schreiner at RIT offered one of the two first Golang classes at a collegiate level back in... 2009? and he reached out to Google and said, "send us some Android phones so that we can develop Go on ARM" They obliged with a full crate of first generation Motorola phones, each one preloaded with a 30 day free Verizon plan. Every person who took that class got one, and surely all of them made it back into the school's hands at the end of the quarter. (I'm not sure how many people actually ever compiled and executed any go binaries on arm that year; we all learned Go, and it was a great class! But as far as the class, the phones were completely unnecessary. I think that they did make a more relevant class where the phones were able to be used again the year after that.)
weberc2 9y ago
Counterpoint: the Go programming language.
- OtterCoder 9y ago
  Which failed in its stated mission and fell back to being yet another just-ok web scripting language.
  - kk__ 9y ago
    30 years is a good time frame to judge a programming language.
  - kybernetikos 9y ago
    Java also has been a phenomenal success, just not as a language for applets.
  - jrs95 9y ago
    Um...what? Are you thinking of Dart?
    - silotis 9y ago
      Go initially billed itself as a language for systems programming, but that claim was quickly retracted when it turned out that Go's creators had a different notion of systems programming than everyone else.
      - geodel 9y ago
        Not everyone. Just self-proclaimed authority who decided systems means operating system or some embedded code. Lots of companies I worked have title Systems Engineer or departments Systems engineering which has nothing to do with Operating systems but just some internal applications.
        dingo_bat 9y ago
ehsankia 9y ago
But Google as a whole isn't working on this. A lot of the projects at Google require collaboration across multiple teams, but I could see Fuschia being done by a fairly small and cohesive team.
- bitmapbrother 9y ago
  The last time I counted there were well over a hundred people just committing code alone. https://fuchsia-review.googlesource.com/q/status:open https://fuchsia-review.googlesource.com/q/status:open

eli_gottlieb 9y ago

Google also can't be convinced to carry a project through to completion and release /salty.

qarioz 9y ago
Google is very good in marketing. For example go.
- meddlepal 9y ago
  Go has been a success as well because of that marketing machine.
- weberc2 9y ago
  Why do people say this? What marketing has Google ever done for Go?
  - skykooler 9y ago
    Making it the first Google result for "go"? (Instead of the verb, or the game)
    - zaarn 9y ago
      When I search "go" on google the first result I get is a package courier, then the game, then the verb... then comes Golang though.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Its branding and companies using the language with hopes of being acquired by them is already good enough. Had Go been released at AT&T and it would have shared the same fate as Limbo.
    - weberc2 9y ago
      > companies using the language with hopes of being acquired by them This is beyond belief. What companies are using Go with the hopes of being acquired by Google? Does anyone honestly believe that Google's acquisitions teams know or care about programming languages? Any business that acquires companies on that basis is doomed to failure, as is any company that hopes to be acquired on that basis.
      - geodel 9y ago
        Well if one doesn't like something, they have to come up with part hilarious and part wild assertions like this.
    - ddalex 9y ago
      as what ?
  - mkl 9y ago
    Sponsoring Go introduction workshops for university undergrads, complete with Google-swag prizes and actual Google employees flown in from another country. So, quite a lot if that experience is anything to go by.
  - geodel 9y ago
    The idea here is if it worked its marketing but if it doesn't its market that has spoken.
  - yebyen 9y ago
    I will say that my professor Axel Schreiner at RIT offered one of the two first Golang classes at a collegiate level back in... 2009? and he reached out to Google and said, "send us some Android phones so that we can develop Go on ARM" They obliged with a full crate of first generation Motorola phones, each one preloaded with a 30 day free Verizon plan. Every person who took that class got one, and surely all of them made it back into the school's hands at the end of the quarter. (I'm not sure how many people actually ever compiled and executed any go binaries on arm that year; we all learned Go, and it was a great class! But as far as the class, the phones were completely unnecessary. I think that they did make a more relevant class where the phones were able to be used again the year after that.)

weberc2 9y ago

Counterpoint: the Go programming language.

OtterCoder 9y ago
Which failed in its stated mission and fell back to being yet another just-ok web scripting language.
- kk__ 9y ago
  30 years is a good time frame to judge a programming language.
- kybernetikos 9y ago
  Java also has been a phenomenal success, just not as a language for applets.
- jrs95 9y ago
  Um...what? Are you thinking of Dart?
  - silotis 9y ago
    Go initially billed itself as a language for systems programming, but that claim was quickly retracted when it turned out that Go's creators had a different notion of systems programming than everyone else.
    - geodel 9y ago
      Not everyone. Just self-proclaimed authority who decided systems means operating system or some embedded code. Lots of companies I worked have title Systems Engineer or departments Systems engineering which has nothing to do with Operating systems but just some internal applications.
      - dingo_bat 9y ago

ehsankia 9y ago

But Google as a whole isn't working on this. A lot of the projects at Google require collaboration across multiple teams, but I could see Fuschia being done by a fairly small and cohesive team.

bitmapbrother 9y ago
The last time I counted there were well over a hundred people just committing code alone. https://fuchsia-review.googlesource.com/q/status:open https://fuchsia-review.googlesource.com/q/status:open