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>>If the system detects that hands are not on, it provides visual and auditory alerts. This happened several times on Mr. Huang's drive that day. If the system

>>If the system detects that hands are not on, it provides visual and auditory alerts. This happened several times on Mr. Huang's drive that day. If the system detects that hands are not on the wheel, perhaps something else should be done that will incentivize the driver to disengage Autopilot. Perhaps, send warnings alerts to law enforcement, insurance companies, or emergency contacts? Not sure what the fallback procedure is when Autopilot detects dangerous situations for extended periods of time - presumably disengaging completely would be worse, unless there's a safe way for Autopilot to pull over to the shoulder at the next available opportunity.

Diederich 9y ago
It first flashes, then beeps at you, and then disengages, so you start slowing down. I believe that if that happens, it won't re-engage again until after the car is stopped, shut off, and re-started.
- Negitivefrags 9y ago
  To reenable autopilot you not only need to restart the car, but also go back into the car settings and turn it on again. When you do this it presents you with a window that outlines your liability that you must accept. It looks like this: https://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/autosteer-warning-tesla.jpg?quality=98&strip=all&strip=all https://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/autostee...
  - rightbyte 9y ago
    Oh ... is it real? Beta? Googleinh seems to confirm so. Other car manufacturer use trained personel for testing. I mean this is silly and should be illegal.
John_KZ 9y ago
>perhaps something else should be done that will incentivize the driver to disengage Autopilot. There's a very simple solution: Don't fucking include it in the car. Require the users to show up at the car dealership and sign a legal waiver to allow the activation of the new, insecure, and dangerous feature. There are no cars on the road with airbags that sometimes work and sometimes cause 3rd degree burns. There are no seatbelts that only work if the road isn't shiny. If you want to advertise the autopilot as a safety feature available to the general public, make sure it is one. If it's not, and you advertise it as such, you're legally liable for all the deaths your lie will cause. Personally, I'm technically knowledgable enough and I know enough about Tesla's history to be wary of their products and never trust them, but what if you're the average consumer? You would rightly expect any car automation system that comes pre-installed in your car and actually drives your god damn car to be safe enough to be there in the first place! Tesla is just taking advantage of the lack of legislation and standards on autonomous driving. They're selling a defective and dangerous product. They should be held liable for it.
- emiliobumachar 9y ago
  Airbags have killed, you know... And I actually know a guy who slept on the wheel, feel sideways into the passenger's seat, then crashed into a tree. The steering wheel crushed the driver's seat where his chest had been. He would presumably die if he wore the seatbelt. Of course, both seatbelts and airbags save many more lives than they take.
- ClassyJacket 9y ago
  "There are no cars on the road with airbags that sometimes work and sometimes cause 3rd degree burns." ... What about the millions of cars being recalled right now for deadly faulty Takata airbags?
  - John_KZ 9y ago
    They're being recalled. Telsa's autopilot isn't. The situation with the airbags is an exceptional circumstance and they're recalled for a slightly higher chance of malfunction. They have been on 37 million vehicles for 16 years and caused 15 deaths. As low as that is, it's still not tolarated, because this is how strict the auto industry is and should be.

Diederich 9y ago

It first flashes, then beeps at you, and then disengages, so you start slowing down. I believe that if that happens, it won't re-engage again until after the car is stopped, shut off, and re-started.

Negitivefrags 9y ago
To reenable autopilot you not only need to restart the car, but also go back into the car settings and turn it on again. When you do this it presents you with a window that outlines your liability that you must accept. It looks like this: https://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/autosteer-warning-tesla.jpg?quality=98&strip=all&strip=all https://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/autostee...
- rightbyte 9y ago
  Oh ... is it real? Beta? Googleinh seems to confirm so. Other car manufacturer use trained personel for testing. I mean this is silly and should be illegal.

John_KZ 9y ago

>perhaps something else should be done that will incentivize the driver to disengage Autopilot. There's a very simple solution: Don't fucking include it in the car. Require the users to show up at the car dealership and sign a legal waiver to allow the activation of the new, insecure, and dangerous feature. There are no cars on the road with airbags that sometimes work and sometimes cause 3rd degree burns. There are no seatbelts that only work if the road isn't shiny. If you want to advertise the autopilot as a safety feature available to the general public, make sure it is one. If it's not, and you advertise it as such, you're legally liable for all the deaths your lie will cause. Personally, I'm technically knowledgable enough and I know enough about Tesla's history to be wary of their products and never trust them, but what if you're the average consumer? You would rightly expect any car automation system that comes pre-installed in your car and actually drives your god damn car to be safe enough to be there in the first place! Tesla is just taking advantage of the lack of legislation and standards on autonomous driving. They're selling a defective and dangerous product. They should be held liable for it.

emiliobumachar 9y ago
Airbags have killed, you know... And I actually know a guy who slept on the wheel, feel sideways into the passenger's seat, then crashed into a tree. The steering wheel crushed the driver's seat where his chest had been. He would presumably die if he wore the seatbelt. Of course, both seatbelts and airbags save many more lives than they take.
ClassyJacket 9y ago
"There are no cars on the road with airbags that sometimes work and sometimes cause 3rd degree burns." ... What about the millions of cars being recalled right now for deadly faulty Takata airbags?
- John_KZ 9y ago
  They're being recalled. Telsa's autopilot isn't. The situation with the airbags is an exceptional circumstance and they're recalled for a slightly higher chance of malfunction. They have been on 37 million vehicles for 16 years and caused 15 deaths. As low as that is, it's still not tolarated, because this is how strict the auto industry is and should be.