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Even if you are in demand, none of these places have any honor. It is a shame too. People are usually ok at rolling with the punches if you just tell them one

Even if you are in demand, none of these places have any honor. It is a shame too. People are usually ok at rolling with the punches if you just tell them one might be coming. That, and as tempting as it may be to lay it all at the door of capitalism, I'm not sure that's fair. Even in a competition, honor still has some value. I'd put more of the blame on the aphysical conflict-averse types office work generally attracts.

lovich 9y ago
In what world does honor have value for businesses? The business that is willing to like, steal, and cheat their way to higher profitability is going to outcompete the ones who will not. Even if they get bad PR just hire a company to clean up your image,rebrnd, or hide your activities behind a plethora of other companies and branda you own. Nothing in the history of corporations has shown any preference for honor on their part
- jstewartmobile 9y ago
  I was talking capitalism. In a market transaction between individuals, trustworthiness of the other party has some value. You're talking corporations. "none of these places have any honor" I completely agree with you on corporations.
- BigChiefSmokem 9y ago
  Honor is part of culture and culture is what attracts certain types of employees and customer loyalty.
- Ascetik 9y ago
  >In what world does honor have value for businesses? The one we live in. Honor and integrity are matters of justice. It is honorable to pay an agreed upon price for widgets. It is just. If one deviates from that they are painted as dishonorable and people don't like doing business with someone who has the reputation of being dishonorable (companies that lie to their clients or don't pay their bills). >The business that is willing to like, steal, and cheat their way to higher profitability is going to outcompete the ones who will not. Banks can do this unfortunately, but not other companies. You don't build a legacy like Ford, or Samuel Gawith in England by lying, cheating and stealing or treating your customers like trash.
  - lovich 9y ago
    Your examples include Ford who literally decided it was cheaper to let customers die instead of fixing their product[1] This is what I mean, just a little bit of PR and companies can get you to ignore literal manslaughter [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto
- borplk 9y ago
  It would be fine if they weren't hypocrites. They have zero loyalty yet they demand it from their employees.

lovich 9y ago

In what world does honor have value for businesses? The business that is willing to like, steal, and cheat their way to higher profitability is going to outcompete the ones who will not. Even if they get bad PR just hire a company to clean up your image,rebrnd, or hide your activities behind a plethora of other companies and branda you own. Nothing in the history of corporations has shown any preference for honor on their part

jstewartmobile 9y ago
I was talking capitalism. In a market transaction between individuals, trustworthiness of the other party has some value. You're talking corporations. "none of these places have any honor" I completely agree with you on corporations.
BigChiefSmokem 9y ago
Honor is part of culture and culture is what attracts certain types of employees and customer loyalty.
Ascetik 9y ago
>In what world does honor have value for businesses? The one we live in. Honor and integrity are matters of justice. It is honorable to pay an agreed upon price for widgets. It is just. If one deviates from that they are painted as dishonorable and people don't like doing business with someone who has the reputation of being dishonorable (companies that lie to their clients or don't pay their bills). >The business that is willing to like, steal, and cheat their way to higher profitability is going to outcompete the ones who will not. Banks can do this unfortunately, but not other companies. You don't build a legacy like Ford, or Samuel Gawith in England by lying, cheating and stealing or treating your customers like trash.
- lovich 9y ago
  Your examples include Ford who literally decided it was cheaper to let customers die instead of fixing their product[1] This is what I mean, just a little bit of PR and companies can get you to ignore literal manslaughter [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto
borplk 9y ago
It would be fine if they weren't hypocrites. They have zero loyalty yet they demand it from their employees.