A neutral discussion on surveillance and adtech cannot happen here because of the makeup of the audience. It's undeniable too many people from the SV tech comm

A neutral discussion on surveillance and adtech cannot happen here because of the makeup of the audience. It's undeniable too many people from the SV tech community are deeply vested in the business either as workers of Google, Facebook or part of the large multi billion dollar ad ecosystem. The fact is tech people made pompous claims about liberty and freedom and then sold out the moment they had personal gain. This is not their fault, the history of ethical posturing consistently plays out this way and capitalism incentives leaves little room for ethics making regulation the only workable option. The default reaction is thus to minimize accountability, blame others, apologism, hand waving or deny the issue altogether. Every discussion gets mired in the same basic first principles of freedom and privacy. If you can't behave ethically you have no basis to expect ethical behavior from others, or for an ethical society. You make the bed, you lie in it.