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If a person logs out of Facebook, and Facebook continues to track them anyway, then that’s clearly violating consent, and there was a meeting where someone said

by gaius 9y ago

If a person logs out of Facebook, and Facebook continues to track them anyway, then that’s clearly violating consent, and there was a meeting where someone said “we need a way to track people who explicitly do not want to be tracked” and everyone in the room nodded.

notspanishflu 9y ago
Facebook tracks everyone, every time. Tracks users and non users. Tracks even people trying to avoid that company. For example, the infamous pixel code.  <script> !function(f,b,e,v,n,t,s){if(f.fbq)return;n=f.fbq=function(){n.callMethod? n.callMethod.apply(n,arguments):n.queue.push(arguments)};if(!f._fbq)f._fbq=n; n.push=n;n.loaded=!0;n.version='2.0';n.queue=[];t=b.createElement(e);t.async=!0; t.src=v;s=b.getElementsByTagName(e)[0];s.parentNode.insertBefore(t,s)}(window, document,'script','https://connect.facebook.net/en_US/fbevents.js'); fbq('init', '477623695968553' ); fbq('track', 'PageView'); </script> <noscript><img height="1" width="1" style="display:none" src="https://www.facebook.com/tr?id=477623695968553&ev=PageView&noscript=1" /></noscript>  
- diasp 9y ago
  In diaspora* you own your data. You don’t sign over rights to a corporation or other interest who could use it. https://diasporafoundation.org https://diasporafoundation.org
  - throw2016 9y ago
    Written in ruby, difficult to install. Have a look at the install requirements. Like all ruby apps you need a full build environment and tons of dependencies, and if by chance a specific gem fails to compile you are toast in dependency hell. Given the goal of the project an easier to install and use stack would have helped them.
    - the-dude 9y ago
      I installed it a couple of weeks ago to see if it might be a fit for a volunteer org I am part of. It is not difficult to install. What is wrong with Ruby? I like Ruby. I was underwhelmed with what Diaspora actually is though.
    - chillingeffect 9y ago
      These aren't user issues, though! All users have to do is go to https://podupti.me/ https://podupti.me/ and pick a pod. That's what I did a few weeks ago and I have begun drawing my friends over to it. Every few days I go on facebook and talk about what I've figured out about diaspora. I've also begun posting my hobby content on diaspora first, then facebook a few days later. When I post on diaspora, I post the invitation to see it on diaspora. Listening to Zuck's weaseling yesterday I felt vindicated.
    - predavlad 9y ago
      The server requirements seems quite easy to install (a server, a database, the ruby/gem stuff, and git). Not sure how well the package manager works with the long list of gems - https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/blob/develop/Gemfile https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/blob/develop/Gemfile
- gargravarr 9y ago
  I have NoScript set to blacklist any JS from any Facebook domain. Breaking half the internet by default is worth it to neuter this invasive tracking.
  - wila 9y ago
    NoScript doesn't stop the tracking. See the noscript tags in the html example of the post you replied to.
    - gargravarr 9y ago
      Oh, that is dastardly, I didn't see that. I also have every FB domain set to null in my hosts file, but I think it's time to extend that to my internal DNS too!
    - nathcd 9y ago
      This is one of the reasons I really like uMatrix. In addition to giving really fine-grained controls over what you load (by type of asset, by domain given current domain), it gives you really great visibility into what a webpage is doing, and where it's sending data. I have mine set up to act like NoScript by default -- to block first-party JS. You end up noticing some surprising things. For example, yesterday I read an article (http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/10/how-to-build-a-low-tech-internet.html http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/10/how-to-build-a-low-te...) from Low-Tech Magazine, about how to build a "low-tech internet" (an article I really liked, BTW). Happily, the page loaded just fine without any JavaScript, but I still noticed in my uMatrix panel that the page was trying to load various assets from 20-some domains, about half of which uMatrix recognizes as tracking domains. A little disconcerting for a site called Low-Tech Magazine.
      - gargravarr 9y ago
        Appropriately, the very site this article is sourced from, The Guardian, readily derided Facebook for its invasive tracking aspects. Another link on HN then pointed out that The Guardian themselves spread data out to 56 tracking services. Que sera.
- droidist2 9y ago
  Which sites is that on? When webmasters use Facebook comments or authentication that gets inserted?
  - Raphmedia 9y ago
    All websites where the webmaster wants to leverage Facebook's ads and retargeting. So probably half the websites out there.
bonestamp2 9y ago
Facebook even tracks people who aren't Facebook members. It can build profiles on people who aren't members to learn more about people it can identify and suggest ads/products they might be interested in too.

by gaius 9y ago

notspanishflu 9y ago

Facebook tracks everyone, every time. Tracks users and non users. Tracks even people trying to avoid that company. For example, the infamous pixel code.  <script> !function(f,b,e,v,n,t,s){if(f.fbq)return;n=f.fbq=function(){n.callMethod? n.callMethod.apply(n,arguments):n.queue.push(arguments)};if(!f._fbq)f._fbq=n; n.push=n;n.loaded=!0;n.version='2.0';n.queue=[];t=b.createElement(e);t.async=!0; t.src=v;s=b.getElementsByTagName(e)[0];s.parentNode.insertBefore(t,s)}(window, document,'script','https://connect.facebook.net/en_US/fbevents.js'); fbq('init', '477623695968553' ); fbq('track', 'PageView'); </script> <noscript><img height="1" width="1" style="display:none" src="https://www.facebook.com/tr?id=477623695968553&ev=PageView&noscript=1" /></noscript>

diasp 9y ago
In diaspora* you own your data. You don’t sign over rights to a corporation or other interest who could use it. https://diasporafoundation.org https://diasporafoundation.org
- throw2016 9y ago
  Written in ruby, difficult to install. Have a look at the install requirements. Like all ruby apps you need a full build environment and tons of dependencies, and if by chance a specific gem fails to compile you are toast in dependency hell. Given the goal of the project an easier to install and use stack would have helped them.
  - the-dude 9y ago
    I installed it a couple of weeks ago to see if it might be a fit for a volunteer org I am part of. It is not difficult to install. What is wrong with Ruby? I like Ruby. I was underwhelmed with what Diaspora actually is though.
  - chillingeffect 9y ago
    These aren't user issues, though! All users have to do is go to https://podupti.me/ https://podupti.me/ and pick a pod. That's what I did a few weeks ago and I have begun drawing my friends over to it. Every few days I go on facebook and talk about what I've figured out about diaspora. I've also begun posting my hobby content on diaspora first, then facebook a few days later. When I post on diaspora, I post the invitation to see it on diaspora. Listening to Zuck's weaseling yesterday I felt vindicated.
  - predavlad 9y ago
    The server requirements seems quite easy to install (a server, a database, the ruby/gem stuff, and git). Not sure how well the package manager works with the long list of gems - https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/blob/develop/Gemfile https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/blob/develop/Gemfile
gargravarr 9y ago
I have NoScript set to blacklist any JS from any Facebook domain. Breaking half the internet by default is worth it to neuter this invasive tracking.
- wila 9y ago
  NoScript doesn't stop the tracking. See the noscript tags in the html example of the post you replied to.
  - gargravarr 9y ago
    Oh, that is dastardly, I didn't see that. I also have every FB domain set to null in my hosts file, but I think it's time to extend that to my internal DNS too!
  - nathcd 9y ago
    This is one of the reasons I really like uMatrix. In addition to giving really fine-grained controls over what you load (by type of asset, by domain given current domain), it gives you really great visibility into what a webpage is doing, and where it's sending data. I have mine set up to act like NoScript by default -- to block first-party JS. You end up noticing some surprising things. For example, yesterday I read an article (http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/10/how-to-build-a-low-tech-internet.html http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/10/how-to-build-a-low-te...) from Low-Tech Magazine, about how to build a "low-tech internet" (an article I really liked, BTW). Happily, the page loaded just fine without any JavaScript, but I still noticed in my uMatrix panel that the page was trying to load various assets from 20-some domains, about half of which uMatrix recognizes as tracking domains. A little disconcerting for a site called Low-Tech Magazine.
    - gargravarr 9y ago
      Appropriately, the very site this article is sourced from, The Guardian, readily derided Facebook for its invasive tracking aspects. Another link on HN then pointed out that The Guardian themselves spread data out to 56 tracking services. Que sera.
droidist2 9y ago
Which sites is that on? When webmasters use Facebook comments or authentication that gets inserted?
- Raphmedia 9y ago
  All websites where the webmaster wants to leverage Facebook's ads and retargeting. So probably half the websites out there.

bonestamp2 9y ago

Facebook even tracks people who aren't Facebook members. It can build profiles on people who aren't members to learn more about people it can identify and suggest ads/products they might be interested in too.