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What else it shows - how expensive AWS hardware vs hosting own hardware. I guess you have to consider how often you have to scale, but hetzner offers dedicated

What else it shows - how expensive AWS hardware vs hosting own hardware. I guess you have to consider how often you have to scale, but hetzner offers dedicated servers with 64Gb and NVMe drives starting from 54 euros per month - https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver?country=us https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver?country=us - compare that to $580 per month these guys were paying for i3.2xlarge instance..

bobwaycott 9y ago
I’ve heard mention of Hetzner no less than a dozen times in the last couple days. What’s their deal? I’m not quite sure I grok this server auction thing they do, or how they’re so cheap.
- hippich 9y ago
  I am not talking about auction thing here, just their regular dedicated servers offerings. They are bare metal and it is up to you to set it up, but savings are in the 5x - 10x range if you can avoid waste by underutilizing hardware (i.e. cases where you have to scale daily 1 to 100 instances might not be financially advantageous)
- CSDude 9y ago
  If all you need is Virtual Machines or dedicated machines, you are good to host your databases, services etc. using AWS is very expensive. You could literally buy from 3-4 different vendors to maintain availability in disaster case and still be cheaper. Hetzner is one of the most affordable providers and both dedicadted and cloud offerings are fast enough.
- foepys 9y ago
  Hetzner got in the news recently because they now offer a "cloud" product for VPS. Not in the sense like AWS where you can shut down instances and pay less but in the sense that you can buy, provision, and delete VPS via an API and pay per hour. They are also dirt cheap and offer 20 TB egress traffic with even their cheapest VPS. How they do it? I don't know. They are using Xeon processors and not i7 like some others.
- zaarn 9y ago
  They offer bare metal outside the auction, which I recommend unless you look for the absolute cheapest. The Server Auction is basically servers they previously used and were freed up (because a customer didn't need it anymore, for example). It's somewhat similar to what OVH is doing with KimSufi or SYS.
voltagex_ 9y ago
What if you need boxes closer to where your customers are? Latency is a big deal, especially in Australia / New Zealand.
- hippich 9y ago
  another provider of well-priced dedicated hardware is OVH - https://www.ovh.com.au/dedicated-servers/all_servers.xml https://www.ovh.com.au/dedicated-servers/all_servers.xml You can see there 64Gb boxes with NVMe drives startin around $160 USD per month. Not as much savings as with Hetzner, but still beats 1:1 price of AWS.
- amq 9y ago
  Another one is Scaleway with baremetal servers starting from €3/month and offering snapshots, volumes, security groups and floating IPs.
rbranson 9y ago
... and then you have to clone all the AWS services yourself. If you just need a few boxes, there are definitely cheaper options than AWS.
- justherefortart 9y ago
  And now you have a "nexus" in California and they think you should pay their state taxes.
- hippich 9y ago
  Well.. It depends on what you are doing. If indeed you are using majority of AWS services, then yeah, getting off these will be hard to impossible. But if all you use is RDS, EC2 and S3 - it is quite easy to move to dedicated hardware once your service is up and running on AWS. Unless your load is not jumping around 10x all the time of course (then you will need dynamic scaling which is not quite possible with dedicated hardware)

bobwaycott 9y ago

I’ve heard mention of Hetzner no less than a dozen times in the last couple days. What’s their deal? I’m not quite sure I grok this server auction thing they do, or how they’re so cheap.

hippich 9y ago
I am not talking about auction thing here, just their regular dedicated servers offerings. They are bare metal and it is up to you to set it up, but savings are in the 5x - 10x range if you can avoid waste by underutilizing hardware (i.e. cases where you have to scale daily 1 to 100 instances might not be financially advantageous)
CSDude 9y ago
If all you need is Virtual Machines or dedicated machines, you are good to host your databases, services etc. using AWS is very expensive. You could literally buy from 3-4 different vendors to maintain availability in disaster case and still be cheaper. Hetzner is one of the most affordable providers and both dedicadted and cloud offerings are fast enough.
foepys 9y ago
Hetzner got in the news recently because they now offer a "cloud" product for VPS. Not in the sense like AWS where you can shut down instances and pay less but in the sense that you can buy, provision, and delete VPS via an API and pay per hour. They are also dirt cheap and offer 20 TB egress traffic with even their cheapest VPS. How they do it? I don't know. They are using Xeon processors and not i7 like some others.
zaarn 9y ago
They offer bare metal outside the auction, which I recommend unless you look for the absolute cheapest. The Server Auction is basically servers they previously used and were freed up (because a customer didn't need it anymore, for example). It's somewhat similar to what OVH is doing with KimSufi or SYS.

voltagex_ 9y ago

What if you need boxes closer to where your customers are? Latency is a big deal, especially in Australia / New Zealand.

hippich 9y ago
another provider of well-priced dedicated hardware is OVH - https://www.ovh.com.au/dedicated-servers/all_servers.xml https://www.ovh.com.au/dedicated-servers/all_servers.xml You can see there 64Gb boxes with NVMe drives startin around $160 USD per month. Not as much savings as with Hetzner, but still beats 1:1 price of AWS.
amq 9y ago
Another one is Scaleway with baremetal servers starting from €3/month and offering snapshots, volumes, security groups and floating IPs.

rbranson 9y ago

... and then you have to clone all the AWS services yourself. If you just need a few boxes, there are definitely cheaper options than AWS.

justherefortart 9y ago
And now you have a "nexus" in California and they think you should pay their state taxes.
hippich 9y ago
Well.. It depends on what you are doing. If indeed you are using majority of AWS services, then yeah, getting off these will be hard to impossible. But if all you use is RDS, EC2 and S3 - it is quite easy to move to dedicated hardware once your service is up and running on AWS. Unless your load is not jumping around 10x all the time of course (then you will need dynamic scaling which is not quite possible with dedicated hardware)