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You make it sound as if lust was something bad. Interesting. Sexual intercourse is as much a necessity as is mining. More so, I'd say. Humans are not mining ma
by esarbe 9y ago
You make it sound as if lust was something bad. Interesting.
Sexual intercourse is as much a necessity as is mining. More so, I'd say. Humans are not mining machines, they are reproduction machines. To deny this is to deny human nature. Also, sex in and in itself has nothing to do with respect or disrespect. It's simply a physical act.
- yters 9y agoIt is. Lust makes one person dehumanize another person and use them as a tool for their own pleasure. Anytime we dehumanize each other it is bad, regardless of the negative consequences, of which there are many (broken families, STDs, domestic violence, child abuse, etc.)
- esarbe 9y agoEven if you could make prostitution go away by making it illegal -- you cannot, otherwise we woundn't have this discussion --, you go a tad far by making it responsible for broken families, STDs, domestic violence and child abuse. All these things you'd have. With of without prostitution. These are issues of the human condition, not something that can be magicked away by prohibiting the act of sexual intercourse for economic benefits. It just doesn't work. There have been many moral and religious campaigns to make prostitution illegal. And still we have broken families, STDs, domestic violence, child abuse, etc. As for the dehumanizing effect of sexual intercourse; you might be on to something. But sex is a strange thing that cannot really be understood by thinking very hard about it. So; some very independent women like to be degraded during sex, so do some men. This is just part of the spectrum. As long as everybody involved consents, I don't see the problem.
- yters 9y agoConsent is not a magic wand that makes all actions moral. And yes, brokeness will be with us for all time. So, your solution is to just allow things to get worse? Sometimes you have to take a hard stand on things to help people not destroy themselves.
- esarbe 9y agoIt's not as if there were any absolute moral values. And if everybody involved can give informed consent, why should that not be enough?
- ihsw2 9y agoSelf-control and empathy are absolute moral values, there are many but these two form the core of the civilizing process. A society where these two are absent is a society of anarchy and self-destruction. To imply that all social norms and taboos are moot in the face of individuality is to imply that the individual is the core atom of humanity and it clearly is not -- it is the family.
- esarbe 9y agoSelf-control and empathy are very useful moral values if you want to have a stable and peaceful society. I agree that they are 'good' moral values. That doesn't make them absolute.
- yters 9y agoThere are clearly objective moral values. A society that denigrates sex to entertainment and cannot reproduce will cease to exist.
- esarbe 9y agoMoral values only exist in a societal context. We as a society decide what is moral and what is not. As for sex as entertainment; yes, sexual intercourse in all its wonderful varieties is entertainment. Just look at some of our closest cousins, the Bonobos. They entertain themselves all day long with sex. Well, almost. I really don't get why you think that sex is something bad. I think it's wonderful and we should have much more of it. - it's just way better entertainment then war.