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Using a password manager doesn't make you immune to having your credentials leaked if a sites database is breached...

• Ajedi32 9y ago
  It actually does, provided the passwords aren't stored in plaintext. Even something ridiculously weak like a SHA-1 hash isn't going to be cracked if the password is 16 characters long and completely random.
  • ianseyer 9y ago
    provided: - the passwords aren't stored in plaintext or any other compromised hashing mechanism - you autogenerated your password - your password manager does not get compromised saying "it actually does" is a bit of absolutist stretch...
    • arghwhat 9y ago
      Furthermore, none of this is a side-effect of using a password manager. It just makes doing so more convenient.
      • aidenn0 9y ago
        Within a margin of error, zero people can remember 20 16-character random alphanumeric passwords. Therefore it is only possible using some sort of password manager, whether it be something like 1password or an old-fashioned notebook.
        • majewsky 9y ago
          > Within a margin of error, [the value of a measure is] zero. Nitpick: Zero does not have a magnitude, so "a margin of error" is not remotely well-defined here.
          • aidenn0 9y ago
            Nitpick nitpick: margin of error can be either absolute or relative.
            • arghwhat 9y ago
              Nitpick nitpick nitpick: "margin of error" without any value effectively means "the following value has no meaning at all", as the margin of error is unspecified.
        • arghwhat 9y ago
          You need to specify your margin of error. ± the full population of humans on Earth is "a margin of error". I may be an outlier, but I certainly remember 10+ 20-25 character random full-printable-ASCII passwords, some of which don't let a password manager handle them, others which I don't want to have in a manager. And then there's my password manager master password, which is close to 70 characters long. And I have shitty memory—I wouldn't be able to remember what happened more than a few days ago if my life depended on it.
  • lightedman 9y ago
    "Even something ridiculously weak like a SHA-1 hash isn't going to be cracked if the password is 16 characters long and completely random." Uh, yea, about that - that's how we cracked 4chan Tripcodes. 16-character SHA-1 is dead in just a few seconds with a GPU and that was, what, a decade ago?
• wavemode 9y ago
  Uh... he never said it did? Just that yours would be the last hash to be cracked.
  • y4mi 9y ago
    then why would that password tresor user win, after his credentials were leaked by a database breach -- before other select people that weren't compromised but abstained from said software. Its generally incomprehensible to me why some people don't want to use password tresors -- its so much easier after all - but his argument was flawed.
    • tambre 9y ago
      What's a password tresor? Did you mean password manager? Wiktionary tells me it means "treasure" in Catalan and Old French.
      • dcuthbertson 9y ago
        It also means "storehouse", so he probably means password manager.
      • seele 9y ago
        I think he meant this: https://trezor.io/ https://trezor.io/ And more specifically: https://trezor.io/passwords/ https://trezor.io/passwords/
      • BlackLotus89 9y ago
        Tresor means safe in german so maybe he is a german that substituted the z in trezor
      • y4mi 9y ago
        I meant password manager/safe. Sorry for that mix up.
    • wepple 9y ago
      Because parent said there would be a competition for whose password is cracked last. My 16 char fully randomized passwords will not be cracked, so I win, along with everyone else using a password manager?