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They still are anything but sad about it. The amount of pirated music on their platform is mind boggling.

by kitotik 9y ago

strictnein 9y ago
A lot of that is fully monetized by the copyright owners.
- LordHeini 9y ago
  Or the random person who uploaded it.
  - strictnein 9y ago
    Youtube automatically identifies almost all copyrighted music when videos are uploaded and copyright owners can decide who will be the one to monetize it. Almost all of the major players have the monetization assigned to themselves.
    - LordHeini 9y ago
      How do you know that? There are tons of whole albums which are definitively not "monetized" by their makers. E.g. old stuff where the band does not exists anymore or all the low selling genres where nobody cares. It is not a bad thing since i discovered a lot of cool stuff like that.
      - strictnein 9y ago
        There's some long tail stuff that isn't, but the large majority is. A breakdown of how the system works (they're trying to sell music for you to use, but it's still a good writeup): https://www.safemusiclist.com/can-use-copyrighted-music-youtube/ https://www.safemusiclist.com/can-use-copyrighted-music-yout...
    - fapjacks 9y ago
      This system actually is renowned for false positives and generally poor classification with no recourse for fixing its mistakes. A funny and telling related story: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42580523 http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42580523
    - kitotik 9y ago
      Do you have any data on that? In practice I’ve only seen this for semi-recent top40 major label releases. I’m referring more to the sheer volume of back catalog older/indie music that users have digitized from vinyl. I’ve talked to several indie label managers who gave up years ago trying to monetize/fight youtube with c&d letters.
- em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
  Now maybe, but not when starting up.
ghostbrainalpha 9y ago
Look up Mickey Mouse Clubhouse on Youtube. If you can steal from Disney, Youtube doesn't care. And no these videos are not being monetized by the creator.
- EpicEng 9y ago
  > And no these videos are not being monetized by the creator. How do you know that?
  - maksimum 9y ago
    You could upload one yourself and you would get a notice if it gets monetized by the creator.
    - EpicEng 9y ago
      >You could upload one yourself and you would get a notice if it gets monetized by the creator It may or it may not; I fail to see how that test would lead you to a conclusion here. You're making an assertion and really you have no idea.
      - ghostbrainalpha 9y ago
        We know because when Disney finds their content on Youtube they have it removed, they don't compromise their premium channels for the pittance in ad revenue they would get from pirate garbage. The uploaders get through the filters with really strange editing tricks, cropping the screen and editing random bits together. It's not a level of quality that Disney would like to have associated with their brand in even the most unofficial way.
        EpicEng 9y ago
        > The uploaders get through the filters with really strange editing tricks, cropping the screen and editing random bits together. That they do, not wrong there.
simias 9y ago
I wouldn't say that they're "sad" about it but they clearly seem to put the effort to remove it, it's possible to find some pirated content (movies, music, TV footage etc...) but it's definitely a lot more difficult than any other streaming site I'm aware of. Go to a website like dailymotion if you want to see a "mind boggling" amount of pirated content (and even then, it's relatively tame compared to even smaller streaming sites). It's a clearly a consequence of Youtube being owned by a tech giant and having such a high profile, all the right holders are willing to tell their lawyers to pull the trigger if they find their content hosted illegally on Youtube. It's probably easier and cheaper for Google to be proactive about it than dealing with the probably tremendous amount of complaints that would be generated if they waited for right holders to make a move.

They still are anything but sad about it. The amount of pirated music on their platform is mind boggling.

strictnein 9y ago

A lot of that is fully monetized by the copyright owners.

LordHeini 9y ago
Or the random person who uploaded it.
- strictnein 9y ago
  Youtube automatically identifies almost all copyrighted music when videos are uploaded and copyright owners can decide who will be the one to monetize it. Almost all of the major players have the monetization assigned to themselves.
  - LordHeini 9y ago
    How do you know that? There are tons of whole albums which are definitively not "monetized" by their makers. E.g. old stuff where the band does not exists anymore or all the low selling genres where nobody cares. It is not a bad thing since i discovered a lot of cool stuff like that.
    - strictnein 9y ago
      There's some long tail stuff that isn't, but the large majority is. A breakdown of how the system works (they're trying to sell music for you to use, but it's still a good writeup): https://www.safemusiclist.com/can-use-copyrighted-music-youtube/ https://www.safemusiclist.com/can-use-copyrighted-music-yout...
  - fapjacks 9y ago
    This system actually is renowned for false positives and generally poor classification with no recourse for fixing its mistakes. A funny and telling related story: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42580523 http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42580523
  - kitotik 9y ago
    Do you have any data on that? In practice I’ve only seen this for semi-recent top40 major label releases. I’m referring more to the sheer volume of back catalog older/indie music that users have digitized from vinyl. I’ve talked to several indie label managers who gave up years ago trying to monetize/fight youtube with c&d letters.
em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
Now maybe, but not when starting up.

ghostbrainalpha 9y ago

Look up Mickey Mouse Clubhouse on Youtube. If you can steal from Disney, Youtube doesn't care. And no these videos are not being monetized by the creator.

EpicEng 9y ago
> And no these videos are not being monetized by the creator. How do you know that?
- maksimum 9y ago
  You could upload one yourself and you would get a notice if it gets monetized by the creator.
  - EpicEng 9y ago
    >You could upload one yourself and you would get a notice if it gets monetized by the creator It may or it may not; I fail to see how that test would lead you to a conclusion here. You're making an assertion and really you have no idea.
    - ghostbrainalpha 9y ago
      We know because when Disney finds their content on Youtube they have it removed, they don't compromise their premium channels for the pittance in ad revenue they would get from pirate garbage. The uploaders get through the filters with really strange editing tricks, cropping the screen and editing random bits together. It's not a level of quality that Disney would like to have associated with their brand in even the most unofficial way.
      - EpicEng 9y ago
        > The uploaders get through the filters with really strange editing tricks, cropping the screen and editing random bits together. That they do, not wrong there.

simias 9y ago

I wouldn't say that they're "sad" about it but they clearly seem to put the effort to remove it, it's possible to find some pirated content (movies, music, TV footage etc...) but it's definitely a lot more difficult than any other streaming site I'm aware of. Go to a website like dailymotion if you want to see a "mind boggling" amount of pirated content (and even then, it's relatively tame compared to even smaller streaming sites). It's a clearly a consequence of Youtube being owned by a tech giant and having such a high profile, all the right holders are willing to tell their lawyers to pull the trigger if they find their content hosted illegally on Youtube. It's probably easier and cheaper for Google to be proactive about it than dealing with the probably tremendous amount of complaints that would be generated if they waited for right holders to make a move.