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"That shows how ridiculous a 27% target for 2030 is" Yeah well, if your country has plenty of wind coming from the ocean and you are not a big industrial nation

"That shows how ridiculous a 27% target for 2030 is" Yeah well, if your country has plenty of wind coming from the ocean and you are not a big industrial nation with a lot of energy demand, then 27% seems to be a low goal...

masklinn 8y ago
These statements are utterly infuriating. Yeah Iceland has been 100% RE for years, guess what when your country can do 40MWh/person/year on hydro alone and isn't even at 100% hydro capacity yet it kinda fucking helps.
- zaroth 8y ago
  > 40MWh/person/year of hydro That can’t be right.... <Google...google...google> Well shit.
tom_mellior 8y ago
Having an overall, average goal for the whole EU kind of implies that some countries that can will contribute more than those that can't. What's the problem?
- BjoernKW 8y ago
  The problem with that average probably is that the countries for which it's more difficult to reach these goals usually are also those countries that account for most of the energy consumption. If Portugal reaches 27% of energy consumption from renewable sources that's not nearly as significant in terms of absolute energy consumption than when say France or Germany reaches that goal. Both of these countries don't have a lot of naturally occurring phenomena or places that lend themselves to hydroelectric or geothermal energy production. So, they have to resort to ways that work everywhere but are comparatively more expensive or difficult to implement. So, while countries like Portugal or Iceland reaching such goals certainly is commendable the 'battle' will be won elsewhere.
  - tom_mellior 8y ago
    Yeah, poor Germany, producing only 40 terawatt-hours per year using solar and 90 using wind: https://energytransition.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/non-hydro-RE.png https://energytransition.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/non-...
    - dx034 8y ago
      Not sure why you get downvoted for that. Germany's carbon emissions are higher than most neighbours because of the excessive use of coal, but renewables are already above 27% of demand and growing.

masklinn 8y ago

These statements are utterly infuriating. Yeah Iceland has been 100% RE for years, guess what when your country can do 40MWh/person/year on hydro alone and isn't even at 100% hydro capacity yet it kinda fucking helps.

zaroth 8y ago
> 40MWh/person/year of hydro That can’t be right.... <Google...google...google> Well shit.

tom_mellior 8y ago

Having an overall, average goal for the whole EU kind of implies that some countries that can will contribute more than those that can't. What's the problem?

BjoernKW 8y ago
The problem with that average probably is that the countries for which it's more difficult to reach these goals usually are also those countries that account for most of the energy consumption. If Portugal reaches 27% of energy consumption from renewable sources that's not nearly as significant in terms of absolute energy consumption than when say France or Germany reaches that goal. Both of these countries don't have a lot of naturally occurring phenomena or places that lend themselves to hydroelectric or geothermal energy production. So, they have to resort to ways that work everywhere but are comparatively more expensive or difficult to implement. So, while countries like Portugal or Iceland reaching such goals certainly is commendable the 'battle' will be won elsewhere.
- tom_mellior 8y ago
  Yeah, poor Germany, producing only 40 terawatt-hours per year using solar and 90 using wind: https://energytransition.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/non-hydro-RE.png https://energytransition.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/non-...
  - dx034 8y ago
    Not sure why you get downvoted for that. Germany's carbon emissions are higher than most neighbours because of the excessive use of coal, but renewables are already above 27% of demand and growing.