4 ms·

Apple products have the most thriving second hand market out of perhaps any electronics manufacturer today. Their product resale value and reliability alone mak

Apple products have the most thriving second hand market out of perhaps any electronics manufacturer today. Their product resale value and reliability alone make them a far better option with regard to the environment than almost anything else. The products have extremely long usage cycles relative to the industry standard. It's such that they've integrated the environmental impact deep into their product design and business. You can argue that this is simply a byproduct, but they've talked a lot about it over the years that it's pretty deliberate.

gs_tmc 9y ago
>> The products have extremely long usage cycles relative to the industry standard. I don't see this trend at all in my environment. Actually quite contrary. Some, who love Apple products, always upgrade really soon. I've got an Sony smartphone for 6 years. Regarding tablets, my parents, sisters, parents in law have an Android tablet, Surface and iPad and independent of the brand they all have theirs for years and don't plan to upgrade soon. So, this is a myth common to premium products. Probably part of the marketing strategy (same for cars, kitchen gear, etc.).
- icebraining 9y ago
  The use cycle doesn't have to be by the same person. If the iPhone they are ditching is sold to a person who would otherwise buy a new phone, the net production of phones is the same.
wor3q 9y ago
Wasn't Apple the one who created the trend for non user replaceable batteries? Or non upgradeable pcs? Or making you dispose your perfectly good screen, when your iMac gets old? Resale value is high due too really good marketing and brand recognition combined with high prices. People will often buy a 3 year old iPhone instead of technically superior new Android phone for some price, just to have this brand.
- mulmen 9y ago
  My 2014 RMBP is still the best laptop I have ever owned and everything before that was a Thinkpad, one of them a real IBM one. User-serviceability is overrated in general. You can still replace the battery in a MacBook, it just isn't easy. Mine is 4 years old and gets heavy daily usage and the battery is still acceptable although it is showing signs of age. I will probably look at getting it replaced next year. My iPhone 6s is starting to act up, especially when cold but I haven't replaced the battery in that yet. I'll probably get that done this summer when the phone gets to the point it can't go a full day without a charge. I don't care about the supposed technological superiority of a cellphone. I just want it to work. Apple seems to put more effort in to privacy and security and I like their business model more than Google's. I prefer to be a customer instead of a product.
  - wor3q 9y ago
    > My 2014 RMBP is still the best laptop I have ever owned And my desktop PC is better. What's the point of this? You can't upgrade anything on a new MBP, and every computer i had so far had at least a RAM upgrade in it's life. With Macbook, you just have to throw it away, which isn't too eco friendly, is it? > I don't care about the supposed technological superiority of a cellphone. Why don't you buy a Nokia 8100 then? It just works :)
- saagarjha 9y ago
  > Resale value is high due too really good marketing and brand recognition combined with high prices. Which means that your old iPhone goes to someone else rather than the landfill… > People will often buy a 3 year old iPhone instead of technically superior new Android phone for some price, just to have this brand. Technically superior in what way?
  - wor3q 9y ago
    > Which means that your old iPhone goes to someone else rather than the landfill… Your Android phone will too, you will just be paid less for it. > Technically superior in what way? Bigger screen with better resolution, better camera, faster UI, NFC, wireless charging, USB-C with fastcharge, longer battery life, expandable storage, and most important, possibility to install a decent web browser instead of having to rely on app for every website you visit :)
dave84 9y ago
Yup. My old iPhone 4S, 6, iPad 2, iPad Mini and Macbook (Late 2008) are all still in daily use by other members of the family. That's almost 10 years of laptops, 7 years of phones and tablets still in circulation.
SSLy 9y ago
>Apple products have the most thriving second hand market out of perhaps any electronics manufacturer today. I think the big N still has it going.
- wodenokoto 9y ago
  Whos that? Nokia?
  - SSLy 9y ago
    Nokia doesn't do consumer hardware anymore (HMD isn't Nokia)
- earenndil 9y ago
  Big N?
- kenning 9y ago
  Nintendo?
  - SSLy 9y ago
    Yes.

gs_tmc 9y ago

>> The products have extremely long usage cycles relative to the industry standard. I don't see this trend at all in my environment. Actually quite contrary. Some, who love Apple products, always upgrade really soon. I've got an Sony smartphone for 6 years. Regarding tablets, my parents, sisters, parents in law have an Android tablet, Surface and iPad and independent of the brand they all have theirs for years and don't plan to upgrade soon. So, this is a myth common to premium products. Probably part of the marketing strategy (same for cars, kitchen gear, etc.).

icebraining 9y ago
The use cycle doesn't have to be by the same person. If the iPhone they are ditching is sold to a person who would otherwise buy a new phone, the net production of phones is the same.

wor3q 9y ago

Wasn't Apple the one who created the trend for non user replaceable batteries? Or non upgradeable pcs? Or making you dispose your perfectly good screen, when your iMac gets old? Resale value is high due too really good marketing and brand recognition combined with high prices. People will often buy a 3 year old iPhone instead of technically superior new Android phone for some price, just to have this brand.

mulmen 9y ago
My 2014 RMBP is still the best laptop I have ever owned and everything before that was a Thinkpad, one of them a real IBM one. User-serviceability is overrated in general. You can still replace the battery in a MacBook, it just isn't easy. Mine is 4 years old and gets heavy daily usage and the battery is still acceptable although it is showing signs of age. I will probably look at getting it replaced next year. My iPhone 6s is starting to act up, especially when cold but I haven't replaced the battery in that yet. I'll probably get that done this summer when the phone gets to the point it can't go a full day without a charge. I don't care about the supposed technological superiority of a cellphone. I just want it to work. Apple seems to put more effort in to privacy and security and I like their business model more than Google's. I prefer to be a customer instead of a product.
- wor3q 9y ago
  > My 2014 RMBP is still the best laptop I have ever owned And my desktop PC is better. What's the point of this? You can't upgrade anything on a new MBP, and every computer i had so far had at least a RAM upgrade in it's life. With Macbook, you just have to throw it away, which isn't too eco friendly, is it? > I don't care about the supposed technological superiority of a cellphone. Why don't you buy a Nokia 8100 then? It just works :)
saagarjha 9y ago
> Resale value is high due too really good marketing and brand recognition combined with high prices. Which means that your old iPhone goes to someone else rather than the landfill… > People will often buy a 3 year old iPhone instead of technically superior new Android phone for some price, just to have this brand. Technically superior in what way?
- wor3q 9y ago
  > Which means that your old iPhone goes to someone else rather than the landfill… Your Android phone will too, you will just be paid less for it. > Technically superior in what way? Bigger screen with better resolution, better camera, faster UI, NFC, wireless charging, USB-C with fastcharge, longer battery life, expandable storage, and most important, possibility to install a decent web browser instead of having to rely on app for every website you visit :)

dave84 9y ago

Yup. My old iPhone 4S, 6, iPad 2, iPad Mini and Macbook (Late 2008) are all still in daily use by other members of the family. That's almost 10 years of laptops, 7 years of phones and tablets still in circulation.

SSLy 9y ago

>Apple products have the most thriving second hand market out of perhaps any electronics manufacturer today. I think the big N still has it going.

wodenokoto 9y ago
Whos that? Nokia?
- SSLy 9y ago
  Nokia doesn't do consumer hardware anymore (HMD isn't Nokia)
earenndil 9y ago
Big N?
kenning 9y ago
Nintendo?
- SSLy 9y ago
  Yes.