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I have to admit, after all these years, that I take everything coming from that general direction with a huge grain of salt. Crossroads I/O was supposed to be t

I have to admit, after all these years, that I take everything coming from that general direction with a huge grain of salt. Crossroads I/O was supposed to be the great zmq successor and failed entirely, nanomsg was supposed to be an even better redesign of zmq and failed and now nanomsg-ng is supposed to be an even better design iteration on nanomsg. Meanwhile the old/bad/bloated/poorly designed zmq just kept working fine all these years and even got a bunch of useful new features along the way.

oneweekwonder 9y ago
> Meanwhile the old/bad/bloated/poorly designed zmq Hah, zmq evolved because the developers felt amqp became to bloated.
tel 9y ago
Because ZMQ is vastly better managed from a human POV. The energy required to make a project like this succeed surpasses the individual.
- sevensor 9y ago
  I think that's the important insight behind the success of ZMQ. Pieter Hintjens understood that a software library had a social as well as a technical context. ZMQ was built to be a delight to work with, not just a technical achievement. I have lots of respect for Sústrik, but I get the impression that he's willing to sacrifice everything else to have the right implementation. Really, I think it takes both a Hintjens and a Sústrik to make something great. (Or a Lennon and a McCartney, a Jobs and a Wosniack, a Rodgers and a Hart.) There's a tension between giving people something with integrity, and giving people something they'll love.
  - hood_syntax 9y ago
    After reading a lot of writing by both Hintjens and Sústrik I came to the same conclusion. It's such a shame they fell out, I feel like with a little compromise on both sides they could have come to a workable place. There would have been heads butting and voices being raised (figuratively) but a lot of great work can be done in a place like that. The problem is that it's tiring to fight those battles on a daily basis, and it gets old really fast.

oneweekwonder 9y ago

> Meanwhile the old/bad/bloated/poorly designed zmq Hah, zmq evolved because the developers felt amqp became to bloated.

tel 9y ago

Because ZMQ is vastly better managed from a human POV. The energy required to make a project like this succeed surpasses the individual.

sevensor 9y ago
I think that's the important insight behind the success of ZMQ. Pieter Hintjens understood that a software library had a social as well as a technical context. ZMQ was built to be a delight to work with, not just a technical achievement. I have lots of respect for Sústrik, but I get the impression that he's willing to sacrifice everything else to have the right implementation. Really, I think it takes both a Hintjens and a Sústrik to make something great. (Or a Lennon and a McCartney, a Jobs and a Wosniack, a Rodgers and a Hart.) There's a tension between giving people something with integrity, and giving people something they'll love.
- hood_syntax 9y ago
  After reading a lot of writing by both Hintjens and Sústrik I came to the same conclusion. It's such a shame they fell out, I feel like with a little compromise on both sides they could have come to a workable place. There would have been heads butting and voices being raised (figuratively) but a lot of great work can be done in a place like that. The problem is that it's tiring to fight those battles on a daily basis, and it gets old really fast.