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But that is exactly an example of an involuntary transaction including threat of violence or murder.
by patricius 9y ago
But that is exactly an example of an involuntary transaction including threat of violence or murder.
- lisper 9y agoOK, so here's a second example: suppose I somehow arrange to have control over all of the available food and tell you that in order to access it you have to hand over your wallet. Is your choice to hand over your wallet so you can eat now voluntary or not?
- patricius 9y agoIt is voluntary whether he chooses to hand over his wallet. Edit: Irrelevant comment.
- lisper 9y agoOK, so if you give me your wallet because I threaten to kill you with a gun (quickly, painlessly) that's not voluntary, but if you give me your wallet because I threaten to kill you by starving you to death (slowly, painfully) that is voluntary? That makes no sense to me.
- patricius 9y agoIf I don’t give you my wallet, I face starvation. I could choose to steal from you but that would be immoral. I personally don’t have any control over any food. If I go the supermarket, they threaten to starve me if I don’t hand over my money. I believe it is a voluntary choice for me to pay up not to starve.
- lisper 9y agoBut supermarkets are competitive. The scenario I'm putting forward is one where I have a monopoly and use that leverage to charge you 100% of your income for just enough food to survive.