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The port/airport is gonna be owned and operated by China, giving the PLA/PLAN/PLAAF an forward operating area. I welcome the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sph

The port/airport is gonna be owned and operated by China, giving the PLA/PLAN/PLAAF an forward operating area. I welcome the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere 2.0 -- all hail Great Leader Xi Jinping. Long live Xi Jinping. Long live Xi Jinping thought. /s

NedIsakoff 9y ago
Despite the craziness, it is what's going to happen.
- polotics 9y ago
  It will happen, as they like to say of democracy: "with Chinese characteristics". Short term profiteering clothed in vague long-term grandiosities. Xi will be the last emperor of that era, methinks.
  - NedIsakoff 9y ago
    Do you mean: People's Democratic Dictatorship?
xkcd-sucks 9y ago
习近平万岁!
polymerase 9y ago
/s ?
- NedIsakoff 9y ago
  Yes /s
dbasedweeb 9y ago
The original “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere” was a concept of the Japanese empire during WWII. Given the deep and abiding loathing many in China still have for Japan, what you’re saying seems phrased in a way to be maximally upsetting. Note that I don’t think you’re wrong, I’m just impressed at how much needling can be packed into one post! One possible argument against the notion is that China has always been manically focused on internal unity. Their ambitions abroad, while extensive, will always take a backseat to internal cohesion. China seems to be preparing for a certain amount of internal social upheaval, and if that does happen it would probably curb their external activities to an extent. This kind of economic “outreach” is possibly a way to get imperial without having to overcommit. It’s a little scary, because as you say it could work. If the Chinese play it right, they could dominate economically without firing a shot, except maybe in Taiwan
- dnautics 9y ago
  historically speaking japan was maniacally focused on internal unity during the years 1640-1900 as well.
  - dbasedweeb 9y ago
    True, but there were 40 years between that focus and their attempts at empire in WWII, while China is still very much still in “hold it all together” mode. Even though Japan has an impressively chaotic internal political history, it’s always been a small nation. China has always been huge, with lots of land routes and connections to other potential invaders. While superficially similar, I think that the Chinese commitment to unity Uber Alle is unlikely to change the way Japan’s did.
- lainga 9y ago
  I wouldn't say always focused -- maybe since the start of the Ming dynasty. Also, I would think that implying the Chinese have taken their old enemy's plans, and used them with far more success than the Japanese ever did, was a roundabout form of compliment.
  - forapurpose 9y ago
    > maybe since the start of the Ming dynasty Why do you choose that date? The following cycle is a well known model of Chinese history and has been true for millennia (I might misremember a detail here or there): 1. civil war -> 2. cohesion and ascendant power -> 3. corruption and declining power -> goto 1 As an interesting tangent: The model above emphasized order as the priority, which means centralized authoritarian power. A recent history published in Hong Kong[0] says that order was really just consolidated power for the Emperor (or Paramount Leader, as they are called now), but for common people the periods of 'disorder' provided more freedom, prosperity, and innovation. As the author says in one interview: "Since the imposition of imperial absolutism and centralized government in the Qin dynasty, China has not produced the democratic politicians of ancient times, nor the great thinkers like Laozi, Confucius and Mencius. Quite the opposite – totalitarian society has produced many despotic and violent rulers and corrupt officials and brought China into a great dark age." [1] [0] China History Revisited by Xiao Jiansheng, published by New Century Press of Hong Kong. I read that it was banned in China, but a best-seller in Hong Kong. This first link is the forward, which I recommend: https://chinahistoryrevisited.blogspot.com/ https://chinahistoryrevisited.blogspot.com/ https://asiancorrespondent.com/2010/01/chat-with-chinese-author-xiao-jiansheng/ https://asiancorrespondent.com/2010/01/chat-with-chinese-aut... [1] https://www.asiasentinel.com/society/revisiting-chinese-history/ https://www.asiasentinel.com/society/revisiting-chinese-hist...
drharby 9y ago
Really racking up that social credit score to up your online dating, eh?
- pthreads 9y ago
  Dating? That's the least of his problems. I wonder if his score gets dinged significantly under the assumption his comment was sarcastic. Now that might put him below the minimum level required to buy food!
  - drharby 9y ago
    Im curious how well the system is at qualing sarcasm. Its not like human mods are any better at it
- username223 9y ago
  They're using online surveillance to breed stronger proponents of Xi Jinping Thought? I did not see that one coming...
dang 9y ago
Please don't use HN for political or national flamewar. It's destructive of what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

NedIsakoff 9y ago

Despite the craziness, it is what's going to happen.

polotics 9y ago
It will happen, as they like to say of democracy: "with Chinese characteristics". Short term profiteering clothed in vague long-term grandiosities. Xi will be the last emperor of that era, methinks.
- NedIsakoff 9y ago
  Do you mean: People's Democratic Dictatorship?

xkcd-sucks 9y ago

习近平万岁!

polymerase 9y ago

/s ?

NedIsakoff 9y ago
Yes /s

dbasedweeb 9y ago

The original “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere” was a concept of the Japanese empire during WWII. Given the deep and abiding loathing many in China still have for Japan, what you’re saying seems phrased in a way to be maximally upsetting. Note that I don’t think you’re wrong, I’m just impressed at how much needling can be packed into one post! One possible argument against the notion is that China has always been manically focused on internal unity. Their ambitions abroad, while extensive, will always take a backseat to internal cohesion. China seems to be preparing for a certain amount of internal social upheaval, and if that does happen it would probably curb their external activities to an extent. This kind of economic “outreach” is possibly a way to get imperial without having to overcommit. It’s a little scary, because as you say it could work. If the Chinese play it right, they could dominate economically without firing a shot, except maybe in Taiwan

dnautics 9y ago
historically speaking japan was maniacally focused on internal unity during the years 1640-1900 as well.
- dbasedweeb 9y ago
  True, but there were 40 years between that focus and their attempts at empire in WWII, while China is still very much still in “hold it all together” mode. Even though Japan has an impressively chaotic internal political history, it’s always been a small nation. China has always been huge, with lots of land routes and connections to other potential invaders. While superficially similar, I think that the Chinese commitment to unity Uber Alle is unlikely to change the way Japan’s did.
lainga 9y ago
I wouldn't say always focused -- maybe since the start of the Ming dynasty. Also, I would think that implying the Chinese have taken their old enemy's plans, and used them with far more success than the Japanese ever did, was a roundabout form of compliment.
- forapurpose 9y ago
  > maybe since the start of the Ming dynasty Why do you choose that date? The following cycle is a well known model of Chinese history and has been true for millennia (I might misremember a detail here or there): 1. civil war -> 2. cohesion and ascendant power -> 3. corruption and declining power -> goto 1 As an interesting tangent: The model above emphasized order as the priority, which means centralized authoritarian power. A recent history published in Hong Kong[0] says that order was really just consolidated power for the Emperor (or Paramount Leader, as they are called now), but for common people the periods of 'disorder' provided more freedom, prosperity, and innovation. As the author says in one interview: "Since the imposition of imperial absolutism and centralized government in the Qin dynasty, China has not produced the democratic politicians of ancient times, nor the great thinkers like Laozi, Confucius and Mencius. Quite the opposite – totalitarian society has produced many despotic and violent rulers and corrupt officials and brought China into a great dark age." [1] [0] China History Revisited by Xiao Jiansheng, published by New Century Press of Hong Kong. I read that it was banned in China, but a best-seller in Hong Kong. This first link is the forward, which I recommend: https://chinahistoryrevisited.blogspot.com/ https://chinahistoryrevisited.blogspot.com/ https://asiancorrespondent.com/2010/01/chat-with-chinese-author-xiao-jiansheng/ https://asiancorrespondent.com/2010/01/chat-with-chinese-aut... [1] https://www.asiasentinel.com/society/revisiting-chinese-history/ https://www.asiasentinel.com/society/revisiting-chinese-hist...

drharby 9y ago

Really racking up that social credit score to up your online dating, eh?

pthreads 9y ago
Dating? That's the least of his problems. I wonder if his score gets dinged significantly under the assumption his comment was sarcastic. Now that might put him below the minimum level required to buy food!
- drharby 9y ago
  Im curious how well the system is at qualing sarcasm. Its not like human mods are any better at it
username223 9y ago
They're using online surveillance to breed stronger proponents of Xi Jinping Thought? I did not see that one coming...

dang 9y ago

Please don't use HN for political or national flamewar. It's destructive of what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html