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Two things: 1) Jobs' ability to talk about strategic trends in the industry in such a clear way is truly rare. 2) Amusing how everyone thought OOP would enabl

by atonse 9y ago

Two things: 1) Jobs' ability to talk about strategic trends in the industry in such a clear way is truly rare. 2) Amusing how everyone thought OOP would enable a whole paradigm shift. Has that actually panned out?

jjtheblunt 9y ago
Do you have a little NeXT device in your pocket called an iPhone?
- bdcravens 9y ago
  I think the point is that today OOP is just an architectural choice. The success of the iPhone is no more evidence of OOP being a paradigm shift than other platforms that also implement it (Windows, Android, Rails, etc)
  - scrumper 9y ago
    Yes, for one thing it was supposed to enable all sorts of clever composable behaviors; a big change in how computers presented themselves to end users. Apple had OpenDoc[1], Microsoft had OLE. You'd be able to just work on some piece of content, with the UI reflecting the capabilities of whatever "objects" you had installed. OLE actually worked (for certain values of 'worked'), not sure OpenDoc ever got off the ground. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDoc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDoc
    - GeekyBear 9y ago
      Cyberdog, a suite of internet utilities, is an example of an OpenDoc based product that did make it into the hands of end users. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberdog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberdog
      - scrumper 9y ago
        Ah, I do remember this. It was pretty short lived. Good find.
- atonse 9y ago
  I'm only referring to Object-Oriented programming. Not sure what the iPhone has to do with that. Unless you are talking about UIKit, the application framework.
  - GeekyBear 9y ago
    Correct. The use of frameworks like UIKit would be an example of Object-Oriented programming. http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/CACM-frameworks.html http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/CACM-frameworks.html Likewise, the frameworks that are part of Windows and Android, etc.
    - wmccullough 9y ago
      I think the person above you gets what OOP is and quite frankly, you’re being a condescending prick.
      - GeekyBear 9y ago
        >Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I assume people ask questions because they want information and see nothing condescending about answering those questions.

by atonse 9y ago

jjtheblunt 9y ago

Do you have a little NeXT device in your pocket called an iPhone?

bdcravens 9y ago
I think the point is that today OOP is just an architectural choice. The success of the iPhone is no more evidence of OOP being a paradigm shift than other platforms that also implement it (Windows, Android, Rails, etc)
- scrumper 9y ago
  Yes, for one thing it was supposed to enable all sorts of clever composable behaviors; a big change in how computers presented themselves to end users. Apple had OpenDoc[1], Microsoft had OLE. You'd be able to just work on some piece of content, with the UI reflecting the capabilities of whatever "objects" you had installed. OLE actually worked (for certain values of 'worked'), not sure OpenDoc ever got off the ground. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDoc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDoc
  - GeekyBear 9y ago
    Cyberdog, a suite of internet utilities, is an example of an OpenDoc based product that did make it into the hands of end users. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberdog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberdog
    - scrumper 9y ago
      Ah, I do remember this. It was pretty short lived. Good find.
atonse 9y ago
I'm only referring to Object-Oriented programming. Not sure what the iPhone has to do with that. Unless you are talking about UIKit, the application framework.
- GeekyBear 9y ago
  Correct. The use of frameworks like UIKit would be an example of Object-Oriented programming. http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/CACM-frameworks.html http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/CACM-frameworks.html Likewise, the frameworks that are part of Windows and Android, etc.
  - wmccullough 9y ago
    I think the person above you gets what OOP is and quite frankly, you’re being a condescending prick.
    - GeekyBear 9y ago
      >Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I assume people ask questions because they want information and see nothing condescending about answering those questions.