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"Mikiah Westbrooks, the owner of Brix, a wine bar in Detroit, said she worried that skipping signatures will affect her workers' tips." May tips disappear next

"Mikiah Westbrooks, the owner of Brix, a wine bar in Detroit, said she worried that skipping signatures will affect her workers' tips." May tips disappear next.

justinator 9y ago
May a livable wage working an industry job happen right before.
- icebraining 9y ago
  For cheap restaurants, where servers are likely earning minimum wage, the tips are a gift to the employer, not to them, since the employer can discount the tips from the wage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_Stat...
  - alkonaut 9y ago
    Maybe at the same time as the US lives through the 20th centurty revolution of livable wages, something could be enacted that prevents employers from stealing from employees?
toephu2 9y ago
Yes can we please get rid of tipping and pay waiters and staff what they should be earning? Build the price into the menu and let the market decide the price. Too expensive? You will lose customers. Too cheap? You will have lines out the door and you know you can increase prices. The rest of the world does not tip (Europe & Asia). Only in North America is this awkward tipping practice still a thing.
- rokhayakebe 9y ago
  Personally I like tipping. I think people should still be paid well, but let me tip on top of it if I wish.
  - thomasahle 9y ago
    It's actually somewhat infantilizing to tip someone, unless they need it to be paid. You would never give a lawyer, consultant or someone else "respected" in society "2 dollars to buy something nice". Tipping is a very in the face sign of inequality and really needs to die (as soon as the inequality is gone of course).
    - sokoloff 9y ago
      It must be considered in relation to the size of the transaction; I have given gifts of bottles of wine or Scotch (and in one case, an Echo) to professional service providers who have done a notably good job. I don’t tip a lawyer $2 on a $2000 matter, but a $75 bottle of Scotch is proportionally similar (in fact, a bit smaller) and not at all inappropriate.
      - undersuit 9y ago
        So why not tip your waitstaff with a bottle of beer? That sounds appropriate right?
        sokoloff 9y ago
        It is not uncommon IME to tip a bartender by offering to buy them a beer or shot.
        stordoff 9y ago
        "And one for yourself" is a common phrase in the UK. It's not the norm to tip in pubs/bars though, and it's a literal offer of a drink (or equivalent tip). Also, from briefly working in a bar, I found that flashing cash around in the expectation of better service is a good way to get ignored -- developing an actual rapport with the staff, or just being friendly, works far better/is more valued.
    - Amezarak 9y ago
      It's interesting that this opinion is shared by pretty much zero servers. Servers (I was one) love tipping because, generally speaking, though there may be ups and downs, you are making tremendously more money than you would be otherwise (in the kitchen, for example) and often tax-free. A lot of complaints about the "awkwardness" of it pop up in threads like this, which just makes me wonder if the increasingly transactional nature of society makes people less socially developed. Otherwise, many of the comments are about "helping" the servers, who, I assure you, do not want this "help."
- sitepodmatt 9y ago
  Tipping still happens in Europe and SE Asia it's just not silly like North America. In the UK we'd leave a few pounds typically, let's say table bill was 47gbp, you have be a shameless mingebag to collect the 3gbp change if you were happy with the meal and service. But we don't subscribe to the non sense of 10% tip if unhappy, 15-20% if happy, if crap you don't leave a tip or pay service charge.
  - ag56 9y ago
    Most places in the UK now have an "optional" service fee of 12% on the bill.
    - joe_fishfish 9y ago
      This is much more common in London than in the rest of the country. Thankfully.
      - sitepodmatt 9y ago
        Agreed, very much a London thing. Given it's optional at least you can tell them (or a manager) in the UK to take off if service is crap. In Asia, in places where the service charge is added then the service charge is rarely if ever removed, you can be screaming blue at them due to a chain inexcusable lazy fuck ups and they still wont budge on the service charge - loss of face, lack staff empowerment, 'till say no' etc... The addition of sales tax and service charge is more a frustration than tipping to me, tis why I hate restaurants in Asia that are ++ (10% SC + 7% tax). I'd like to ask them a) under what circumstances do I not have to pay the tax? b) if service is crap are you going to remove the service charge, the answer basically point to everyone pays it. I prefer wysiwyg pricing and tipping for the real extra mile. Also note service charge is rarely distributed fairly to staff that are serving you.
        stordoff 9y ago
        Definitely something I've noticed more in London, though I sometimes see "Suggested gratuity: <amount/percentage>" outside of London (generally not included in the price by default). Incidentally, suggesting a tip (especially including it in the amount by default) makes me much less likely to want to pay one.
sitepodmatt 9y ago
May the expectation of tips disappear next.. Whilst there's no way I'd ever subscribe to current mentality of tipping 10% when unhappy and 15-20% when happy I'm not sure I'd want to remove tipping entirely. It should be exceptional times when one tips, i.e. really got above and beyond - not just doing their job.
- dawnerd 9y ago
  It should absolutely never be expected. I think it’s great to throw some cash when people go above and beyond and it makes sense.
- krisdol 9y ago
  There is no expectation of tips in Japanese restaurants. Adding a tip there is often confusing if not insulting. I’m not so sure you’d really miss the practice if you ate there.
walshemj 9y ago
Ah so she's worried that she might have to pay her workers more is what she sis really saying - I normally leave a cash tip after paying by card in the UK
sebasmurphy 9y ago
I hate when they add acecdotes like this to articles.
lavezzi 9y ago
Side note, but the majority of mobile and fixed terminals offer the option for gratuity when paying via chip and pin or contactless.

"Mikiah Westbrooks, the owner of Brix, a wine bar in Detroit, said she worried that skipping signatures will affect her workers' tips." May tips disappear next.

justinator 9y ago

May a livable wage working an industry job happen right before.

icebraining 9y ago
For cheap restaurants, where servers are likely earning minimum wage, the tips are a gift to the employer, not to them, since the employer can discount the tips from the wage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_Stat...
- alkonaut 9y ago
  Maybe at the same time as the US lives through the 20th centurty revolution of livable wages, something could be enacted that prevents employers from stealing from employees?

toephu2 9y ago

Yes can we please get rid of tipping and pay waiters and staff what they should be earning? Build the price into the menu and let the market decide the price. Too expensive? You will lose customers. Too cheap? You will have lines out the door and you know you can increase prices. The rest of the world does not tip (Europe & Asia). Only in North America is this awkward tipping practice still a thing.

rokhayakebe 9y ago
Personally I like tipping. I think people should still be paid well, but let me tip on top of it if I wish.
- thomasahle 9y ago
  It's actually somewhat infantilizing to tip someone, unless they need it to be paid. You would never give a lawyer, consultant or someone else "respected" in society "2 dollars to buy something nice". Tipping is a very in the face sign of inequality and really needs to die (as soon as the inequality is gone of course).
  - sokoloff 9y ago
    It must be considered in relation to the size of the transaction; I have given gifts of bottles of wine or Scotch (and in one case, an Echo) to professional service providers who have done a notably good job. I don’t tip a lawyer $2 on a $2000 matter, but a $75 bottle of Scotch is proportionally similar (in fact, a bit smaller) and not at all inappropriate.
    - undersuit 9y ago
      So why not tip your waitstaff with a bottle of beer? That sounds appropriate right?
      - sokoloff 9y ago
        It is not uncommon IME to tip a bartender by offering to buy them a beer or shot.
      - stordoff 9y ago
        "And one for yourself" is a common phrase in the UK. It's not the norm to tip in pubs/bars though, and it's a literal offer of a drink (or equivalent tip). Also, from briefly working in a bar, I found that flashing cash around in the expectation of better service is a good way to get ignored -- developing an actual rapport with the staff, or just being friendly, works far better/is more valued.
  - Amezarak 9y ago
    It's interesting that this opinion is shared by pretty much zero servers. Servers (I was one) love tipping because, generally speaking, though there may be ups and downs, you are making tremendously more money than you would be otherwise (in the kitchen, for example) and often tax-free. A lot of complaints about the "awkwardness" of it pop up in threads like this, which just makes me wonder if the increasingly transactional nature of society makes people less socially developed. Otherwise, many of the comments are about "helping" the servers, who, I assure you, do not want this "help."
sitepodmatt 9y ago
Tipping still happens in Europe and SE Asia it's just not silly like North America. In the UK we'd leave a few pounds typically, let's say table bill was 47gbp, you have be a shameless mingebag to collect the 3gbp change if you were happy with the meal and service. But we don't subscribe to the non sense of 10% tip if unhappy, 15-20% if happy, if crap you don't leave a tip or pay service charge.
- ag56 9y ago
  Most places in the UK now have an "optional" service fee of 12% on the bill.
  - joe_fishfish 9y ago
    This is much more common in London than in the rest of the country. Thankfully.
    - sitepodmatt 9y ago
      Agreed, very much a London thing. Given it's optional at least you can tell them (or a manager) in the UK to take off if service is crap. In Asia, in places where the service charge is added then the service charge is rarely if ever removed, you can be screaming blue at them due to a chain inexcusable lazy fuck ups and they still wont budge on the service charge - loss of face, lack staff empowerment, 'till say no' etc... The addition of sales tax and service charge is more a frustration than tipping to me, tis why I hate restaurants in Asia that are ++ (10% SC + 7% tax). I'd like to ask them a) under what circumstances do I not have to pay the tax? b) if service is crap are you going to remove the service charge, the answer basically point to everyone pays it. I prefer wysiwyg pricing and tipping for the real extra mile. Also note service charge is rarely distributed fairly to staff that are serving you.
      - stordoff 9y ago
        Definitely something I've noticed more in London, though I sometimes see "Suggested gratuity: <amount/percentage>" outside of London (generally not included in the price by default). Incidentally, suggesting a tip (especially including it in the amount by default) makes me much less likely to want to pay one.

sitepodmatt 9y ago

May the expectation of tips disappear next.. Whilst there's no way I'd ever subscribe to current mentality of tipping 10% when unhappy and 15-20% when happy I'm not sure I'd want to remove tipping entirely. It should be exceptional times when one tips, i.e. really got above and beyond - not just doing their job.

dawnerd 9y ago
It should absolutely never be expected. I think it’s great to throw some cash when people go above and beyond and it makes sense.
krisdol 9y ago
There is no expectation of tips in Japanese restaurants. Adding a tip there is often confusing if not insulting. I’m not so sure you’d really miss the practice if you ate there.

walshemj 9y ago

Ah so she's worried that she might have to pay her workers more is what she sis really saying - I normally leave a cash tip after paying by card in the UK

sebasmurphy 9y ago

I hate when they add acecdotes like this to articles.

lavezzi 9y ago

Side note, but the majority of mobile and fixed terminals offer the option for gratuity when paying via chip and pin or contactless.