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While for absolute privacy this makes sense, from a lazy ISP dev perspective, why log packets/IPs if you can get marketing data straight from your DNS servers?
by stirlo 9y ago
While for absolute privacy this makes sense, from a lazy ISP dev perspective, why log packets/IPs if you can get marketing data straight from your DNS servers?
Surely ISPs have taken this easy approach while encryption has been only for fringe users?
- bigiain 9y agoOn the other hand, if I were a curious and amoral ISP dev - I'd consider the people circumventing the "easy approach" to be _much_ more interesting to snoop on...
- libdjml 9y agoTrue, although what are they going to do with the data? If it’s primarily for selling to ad companies, a tiny slice of privacy minded people aren’t worth much.
- pkulak 9y agoISPs want to sell advertising, or data to advertisers. Why bother trying to advertise to a few geeks who are probably running PiHole anyway? Especially since doing that multiplies the hardware requirements 100 fold.
- bigiain 9y agoPossibly because the people who you can sell that data to are prepared to pay way more per "product" than the people trying to sell you fast moving consumer goods or ICO de jour... Wouldn't surprise me at all to find there's a market where intelligence services can purchase lists of TOR users - for example...
- h1d 9y agoErr, snooping on a teen visiting "naughty" sites isn't exactly interesting from any perspective.
- spullara 9y agoNah. DNS caching would prevent you from seeing every usage of the site. Much better to just log every source ip : dest ip.
- icebraining 9y agoIPs are shared, they don't necessarily tell you what site you're accessing.
- dx034 9y agoThe only thing you'll see is a list of CDNs and cloud providers.
- spullara 9y agoI suppose that is true for smaller sites that don't have their own IP addresses but for larger sites you will be easily able to map it through reverse DNS.
- dx034 9y agoProbably only for the very large. And even there I'm not sure if you can distinguish amazon from AWS, Microsoft from Azure and Google from Google Cloud. Facebook and Twitter should work reliably but even with a Facebook IP it could probably still be Instagram or Whatsapp.
- microwavecamera 9y agoData mining is big money. They can glean in insane amount of personal information about you based on the sites you go, aside from the fact they already know who you are.