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So, first thing that's helpful to know in answering is that there is actually a schedule for the subway. For example, here's the one for the A line: http://web
by gecko 9y ago
So, first thing that's helpful to know in answering is that there is actually a schedule for the subway. For example, here's the one for the A line:
http://web.mta.info/nyct/service/pdf/tacur.pdf http://web.mta.info/nyct/service/pdf/tacur.pdf
At least back in 2012 or so, when I cared, the A train did keep reasonably close to this schedule (effectively genuinely on it when it wasn't rush hour). It definitely does not keep to this schedule now.
Now, do New Yorkers actually know this schedule? Well, sometimes, actually: while trains do come every few minutes in Manhattan, any specific train comes much more rarely, up to about every 20 minutes for the A train I linked above. This matters if you can't afford to live in Manhattan, or even if you live far away: for about a year, I commuted regularly from 181st St. to Fulton St. on the A, and you better damn well believe I had a specific train I wanted for that trip.
But even for those who don't, if the train gets too far off schedule, you start getting delays, because the trains cannot handle the throughput. Maybe for those commuting within the Midtown area, you know that a train will come every 3-5 minutes, but if the train that would normally take you is still 15 minutes away, then you've got at least a 12 minute backup of extra people who are going to be on that platform. Not only does that mean you won't manage to get your normal train (because you won't be able to reach the platform); it also compounds, since it'll cause people to enter and exit the trains more slowly. There are also many times when trains join or split from sharing the same track, and scheduling delays can change a smooth swapping of a switch back and forth to a traffic jam as controllers try to figure out whether it matters more to give the E or F priority on such-and-such a segment given that the nearest D and C trains are in such-and-such a place. You get this same kind of thing on your compute with disk seeks: it may not seem like a big deal if a read request shows up a millisecond late due to bus contention, but if it means that the drive head has just moved past the data you want, you're gonna have a long delay while it sweeps back, and that in turn may mean that other requests get delayed and so on.
So: yes, the schedule matters even if you don't know the schedule; but it still causes problems even if you want to think of it purely as "bandwidth."
- JumpCrisscross 9y ago> This matters if you can't afford to live in Manhattan It also matters if you’re catching a regional rail train (e.g. on the Metro-North or LIRR), which tend to run on time to the minute.
- ndespres 9y agoI've just begun commuting into NYC on Amtrak, and it leaves on time to the [i]second[/i]. After years of my commute impacted by subway delays, NJ Transit delays, and an independent ferry service that had its share of problems, Amtrak is really quite refreshing. I had forgotten that things were supposed to be on a schedule! I lived in NYC for 5 years, and had no idea that the subways were on a fixed schedule. I thought they just came when they came.
- lallysingh 9y agoThat's odd. I commute by njtransit, but my station is also an Amtrak station, and I often hear of massive (30-90 min) delays.
- ndespres 9y agoThe stations shared by NJ Transit and Amtrak are both coming in on the tunnel under the Hudson, which has limited capacity and delays both trains, though I understand that usually Amtrak gets priority. Just another headache of the Port Authority of NJ, NY, the MTA, Amtrak and whoever else fighting to get in to Penn Station. I commute now from Albany where there's no tunnel, we are east of the Hudson the whole time and nobody to fight with to get in to Penn (except when, due to every other train having delays getting OUT of Penn there are sometimes no free tracks to come in on, but this is rare).
- jowiar 9y agoGeneral rule with Amtrak in the Northeast: - Acela is pretty reliable - NE Regional and Keystone are a bit less so (Acelas seem to get priority when things are going sour) - All bets are off for everything else (i.e. anything not going from Boston to DC, or NY to Harrisburg). Amtrak doesn't own those lines, and massive delays are common.
- ams6110 9y agoChicago Metra (suburban heavy rail trains) runs on schedule like that, almost always. The CTA trains (the "El") seemed much more random to me when I lived there, but it was over 10 years ago now.