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On the one hand, this is a very shitty thing to do. On the other, he was young and dumb and FB was very different than it is today. I suppose it could be red f

On the one hand, this is a very shitty thing to do. On the other, he was young and dumb and FB was very different than it is today. I suppose it could be red flag and indicate larger character flaws that have leaked into how FB operates now, but I'm personally glad I'm not being judged today for everything I did when I was 19.

gowld 9y ago
It's not piss behind a dumpster from drunken night out being judged; it's the core functioning of the business and product.
- ada1981 9y ago
  Or rape an unconscious girl behind a dumpster and get three months in jail. #BrockTurner
- deleted 9y ago
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Ysx 9y ago
* It could be red flag and indicate larger character flaws that have leaked into how FB operates now. * I'm personally glad I'm not being judged today for everything I did when I was 19. These are two separate thoughts, kindly use a full stop.
mainthread 9y ago
Some people get life in prison for things they do at 19.
- hcnews 9y ago
  Good for him that he isn't black in today's America.
  - bmpafa 9y ago
    or rather, good for him he isn't poor? or would a black Harvard student have been prosecuted for this crime?
    - maxxxxx 9y ago
      Being poor is probably what counts the most but being black woldn't help either.
    - sangnoir 9y ago
      Here's the harrowing experience of a multi-millionaire athlete at the hands of the police: https://www.theroot.com/video-nfl-player-michael-bennett-assaulted-by-police-a-1800817157 https://www.theroot.com/video-nfl-player-michael-bennett-ass...
  - maxxxxx 9y ago
    This week there was an event at the UFC where on of their biggest fighters (Conor McGregor) and a dozen or so of his associates attacked a bus, smashed windows and injured several people in the bus who then couldn't fight at the event. He posted 50k bail and is now on the way home to Ireland. When I saw this I thought to myself if some poor black teenagers had done exactly the same thing they would be in jail for the next 10 years or be dead by now.
    - acct1771 9y ago
      You're making this about race when it's about money. If instead of MacGregor and his goonsquad, Floyd Mayweather and his goonsquad had done this, it'd have resulted in more or less the same outcome.
      - maxxxxx 9y ago
        I wrote "poor black". I think being poor gets counted the most but being black also gets counted against you. I think the point of this thread is that bad behavior gets treated differently for different people. I don't even want to consider what would have happened if a bunch of illegal Muslim immigrants had attacked the bus.
- bmpafa 9y ago
  If they lacked the foresight to be born wealthy and enroll in an ivy league college, that's their fault. Cyni-casm aside, yours is a crucial point I think gets forgotten too often. Just yesterday I was scrolling through the comments on a Fox News post about an 18 year old who'd been sentenced to 25 yrs for being present during robbery when his friend killed someone. Obviously substantially different crimes, but the comments were mostly people salivating at this "animal" getting "what he deserved." Anyway, thanks for mentioning this point.
  - user982 9y ago
    > Just yesterday I was scrolling through the comments on a Fox News post about an 18 year old who'd been sentenced to 25 yrs for being present during robbery when his friend killed someone. You misread this, likely because that would have made more sense than what actually occurred. The friend/accomplice did not kill anybody, but was killed by police in a shootout; the defendant was charged with murder for this death. The involved law and its application are interesting interpretations of the idea of justice. (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/07/ala-teen-turns-down-25-year-plea-deal-gets-sentenced-to-65-years-instead-and-laughs.html http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/07/ala-teen-turns-down-25-...)
    - Urbanxassassin 9y ago
      And even if he misread what actually happened, the point was young people get serious consequences quite often. Why should Zuckerberg be viewed any differently? Either change the system to judge younger people especially minors less harsh or be consistent.
    - sangnoir 9y ago
      > The friend/accomplice did not kill anybody, but was killed by police in a shootout; the defendant was charged with murder for this death. What the actual fuck? Then again, I can't say I'm suprised that it's in Alabama.
      - JackCh 9y ago
sigmar 9y ago
>I'm personally glad I'm not being judged today for everything I did when I was 19. "Mark was a different person back then" would be much more believable if it wasn't for the fact he deceived users in 2011, has recently used his privileges as CEO to delete messages he had sent, and repeatedly tried to cover up the abuse of their api in 2014 (even going to far as to threaten lawsuits against the Guardian journalists a few weeks ago).
- smokeyj 9y ago
  These excuses seem to be regularly voted to the top. I wonder if Zuck has his minions crawling this site.
  - dang 9y ago
    Please don't post like this - it's just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect in action. I don't mean to pick on you personally; there are many such perceptions and they all disagree, just like people's underlying views disagree. Since they don't add information, such comments are off topic.
    - smokeyj 9y ago
      > Since they don't add information, such comments are off topic. I agree, my bad. But I have noticed a formulaic rebuttal regarding the actions of Zuck. If you look at previous FB related posts the popular comments consistently suggest Zuck was "young and naive" - to the point of sounding like a PR piece. I don't have evidence but maybe you have IP logs. I'd be willing to bet there's something very interesting in there.
      - peacetreefrog 9y ago
        Ok, what would you like to bet?
fwdpropaganda 9y ago
> On the other, he was young and dumb and FB was very different than it is today. I have seen no evidence that he changed when it comes to unethical behaviour.
mikeash 9y ago
I agree that we shouldn't necessarily judge people based on something from a decade and a half ago. But I'm all for judging people based on their attitude toward their past misdeeds. If someone fucks up and then years later they go, "Yeah, I fucked up, I'm sorry, I learned X, Y, and Z from the experience and now I'm a better person," then by all means, let's move on. But if their attitude is to smear the victims and essentially claim that the fact that they're now filthy rich excuses them from any past misbehavior (as is the case here), then let's criticize the crap out of them.

gowld 9y ago

It's not piss behind a dumpster from drunken night out being judged; it's the core functioning of the business and product.

ada1981 9y ago
Or rape an unconscious girl behind a dumpster and get three months in jail. #BrockTurner
deleted 9y ago
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Ysx 9y ago

* It could be red flag and indicate larger character flaws that have leaked into how FB operates now. * I'm personally glad I'm not being judged today for everything I did when I was 19. These are two separate thoughts, kindly use a full stop.

mainthread 9y ago

Some people get life in prison for things they do at 19.

hcnews 9y ago
Good for him that he isn't black in today's America.
- bmpafa 9y ago
  or rather, good for him he isn't poor? or would a black Harvard student have been prosecuted for this crime?
  - maxxxxx 9y ago
    Being poor is probably what counts the most but being black woldn't help either.
  - sangnoir 9y ago
    Here's the harrowing experience of a multi-millionaire athlete at the hands of the police: https://www.theroot.com/video-nfl-player-michael-bennett-assaulted-by-police-a-1800817157 https://www.theroot.com/video-nfl-player-michael-bennett-ass...
- maxxxxx 9y ago
  This week there was an event at the UFC where on of their biggest fighters (Conor McGregor) and a dozen or so of his associates attacked a bus, smashed windows and injured several people in the bus who then couldn't fight at the event. He posted 50k bail and is now on the way home to Ireland. When I saw this I thought to myself if some poor black teenagers had done exactly the same thing they would be in jail for the next 10 years or be dead by now.
  - acct1771 9y ago
    You're making this about race when it's about money. If instead of MacGregor and his goonsquad, Floyd Mayweather and his goonsquad had done this, it'd have resulted in more or less the same outcome.
    - maxxxxx 9y ago
      I wrote "poor black". I think being poor gets counted the most but being black also gets counted against you. I think the point of this thread is that bad behavior gets treated differently for different people. I don't even want to consider what would have happened if a bunch of illegal Muslim immigrants had attacked the bus.
bmpafa 9y ago
If they lacked the foresight to be born wealthy and enroll in an ivy league college, that's their fault. Cyni-casm aside, yours is a crucial point I think gets forgotten too often. Just yesterday I was scrolling through the comments on a Fox News post about an 18 year old who'd been sentenced to 25 yrs for being present during robbery when his friend killed someone. Obviously substantially different crimes, but the comments were mostly people salivating at this "animal" getting "what he deserved." Anyway, thanks for mentioning this point.
- user982 9y ago
  > Just yesterday I was scrolling through the comments on a Fox News post about an 18 year old who'd been sentenced to 25 yrs for being present during robbery when his friend killed someone. You misread this, likely because that would have made more sense than what actually occurred. The friend/accomplice did not kill anybody, but was killed by police in a shootout; the defendant was charged with murder for this death. The involved law and its application are interesting interpretations of the idea of justice. (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/07/ala-teen-turns-down-25-year-plea-deal-gets-sentenced-to-65-years-instead-and-laughs.html http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/07/ala-teen-turns-down-25-...)
  - Urbanxassassin 9y ago
    And even if he misread what actually happened, the point was young people get serious consequences quite often. Why should Zuckerberg be viewed any differently? Either change the system to judge younger people especially minors less harsh or be consistent.
  - sangnoir 9y ago
    > The friend/accomplice did not kill anybody, but was killed by police in a shootout; the defendant was charged with murder for this death. What the actual fuck? Then again, I can't say I'm suprised that it's in Alabama.
    - JackCh 9y ago

sigmar 9y ago

>I'm personally glad I'm not being judged today for everything I did when I was 19. "Mark was a different person back then" would be much more believable if it wasn't for the fact he deceived users in 2011, has recently used his privileges as CEO to delete messages he had sent, and repeatedly tried to cover up the abuse of their api in 2014 (even going to far as to threaten lawsuits against the Guardian journalists a few weeks ago).

smokeyj 9y ago
These excuses seem to be regularly voted to the top. I wonder if Zuck has his minions crawling this site.
- dang 9y ago
  Please don't post like this - it's just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect in action. I don't mean to pick on you personally; there are many such perceptions and they all disagree, just like people's underlying views disagree. Since they don't add information, such comments are off topic.
  - smokeyj 9y ago
    > Since they don't add information, such comments are off topic. I agree, my bad. But I have noticed a formulaic rebuttal regarding the actions of Zuck. If you look at previous FB related posts the popular comments consistently suggest Zuck was "young and naive" - to the point of sounding like a PR piece. I don't have evidence but maybe you have IP logs. I'd be willing to bet there's something very interesting in there.
    - peacetreefrog 9y ago
      Ok, what would you like to bet?

fwdpropaganda 9y ago

> On the other, he was young and dumb and FB was very different than it is today. I have seen no evidence that he changed when it comes to unethical behaviour.

mikeash 9y ago

I agree that we shouldn't necessarily judge people based on something from a decade and a half ago. But I'm all for judging people based on their attitude toward their past misdeeds. If someone fucks up and then years later they go, "Yeah, I fucked up, I'm sorry, I learned X, Y, and Z from the experience and now I'm a better person," then by all means, let's move on. But if their attitude is to smear the victims and essentially claim that the fact that they're now filthy rich excuses them from any past misbehavior (as is the case here), then let's criticize the crap out of them.