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Your proposed classes would lead to everyone just collecting class D, because it's the only one that allows for targeted collection, which is needed even for di
by brainwad 9y ago
Your proposed classes would lead to everyone just collecting class D, because it's the only one that allows for targeted collection, which is needed even for diagnostics and debugging. In order to improve algorithms, you need to be able to figure out what the user wanted, which means being able to view their session specifically, not in aggregate.
- daveFNbuck 9y agoYou don't need to view my session to improve my toaster. I currently have a class A television and would love to be able to buy another one in the future. I'm not sure that will be possible, but maybe having a standard label would help.
- bognition 9y agoThis exactly. People never believe me whenever I explain that smart refrigerators phone home about use and potentially contents. Then I show then the terms and Eula and almost universally they think it should be illegal.
- fnord123 9y agoSo make it illegal.
- ryandrake 9y agoSure! Where are the politicians who have “enact a GDPR-like law in the USA” on their platform? Hell, where are the politicians who even have multiple words to say about privacy?
- fnord123 9y agoNot sure if you're being sarcastic, but the context is bognation's proposal for data collection tiering. Instead of tiering, just adopt a GDPR-like law. > Hell, where are the politicians who even have multiple words to say about privacy? In the vein of Manufacturing Consent - the elites in the US are not split on the topic so there is no discussion. Larger companies, especially in SV, run on private data.
- bognition 9y agoAs long as users have the right to opt into collection under class d it would be fine. Keep in mind that products were successfully developed for thousands of years without invasive data collection.
- gingerlime 9y agoto play devil's advocate though, I think product development accelerated greatly thanks to analytics and usage tracking, and lots of mistakes were avoided. This in turn can reduce the price for consumers of those products or features. Of course, at the expense of privacy, but I'm still wearing my devil's hat here for a moment. And I would go as far as saying people by and large don't care as much about privacy as they do about cost, or getting free stuff (e.g. Facebook).
- mantas 9y agoAnd a lot of those innovations were just to keep users more immersed while showing them ads. There was little innovation that actually helped end user in the past decade.
- gingerlime 9y agoIt certainly has been abused. But I think it’s throwing the baby with the bath water to some extent. People won’t be immersed in something that doesn’t bring them value. Some products would make money from users by showing them ads, others would ask those users to pay. Both would want to create immersive experience in my opinion. I would even argue that less immersive experience (getting bored or distracted) leads to ad clicks. Whereas a service that charges wants to keep users truly engaged.
- ryandrake 9y agoIs “being immersed in the product” a real user need? That sounds like a company goal to me, not something I would want as a user.
- tlogan 9y agoNo - I would pay for TV which is class A. Sure the TV manufacturer will need to buy data from company from class D - but they already do that.