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I never said sovereign states aren't a good idea. I believe they are, but I also believe the nationalistic sentiment is a double edged sword. But all of this ha

by Molaxx 8y ago

I never said sovereign states aren't a good idea. I believe they are, but I also believe the nationalistic sentiment is a double edged sword. But all of this has nothing to do with my comment. The point was, You fire off with unbased claims that are tainted by paranoia. As a joke I referenced similiar type of claims. I guess It was a mistake since it gave you an easy out from actually substinating your claims.

jakeogh 8y ago
So you double down with a label? You asked for a cite on based, that's opinion, like saying "is awesome". I could easily go into why I think that, but it's pointless since it's not a statement of fact that one needs citations for. Maybe you want to move the goalpost to your second reply? If so, the TPP, EU, and similar pushes for a NAU (very much on hold due to the backlash aka "nationalism" in the US) are well funded examples.
- Molaxx 8y ago
  Claiming something is based literally means it's based on something. That something is usually expected to be some fact or some research. If that something is just your opinion, than it's misleading to use the term based. The whole point of my original reply to the OP was seeking citations for his claim. Why did you even reply if it was just to add an opinion? Why are you still on the whole global government thing? It has nothing to do with this discussion.
  - jakeogh 8y ago
    "based" in that context, like "my friend is pretty based" is slang. Very common in circles that are happy about the election outcome and the current US economy etc. Admittedly it's recent (2016ish) slang in that usage. It's basically like like saying "my friend is well grounded" or more specifically "my friend has self consistent opinions" with a touch of "I agree with my friends opinions". Please don't ask me for a cite, it's too new, and I would rather not link to a hundred thousand reddit posts.
    - Molaxx 8y ago
      That's pretty Orwellian. It completely muddles the water and make it very hard to separate opinion and fact. Sounds dangerous to me. Anyway, let me get it straight. you didn't mean that Gen Z is a real thing i.e. its existance is based on facts. Just that you agree with the supposed opinions of this hypothetical construct? This makes your original reply even more baffling to me as it really has nothing to do with my comment. I guess I should've been more explicit.
      - jakeogh 8y ago
        I get how you could miss that "based" was not being used in the context you expected, although the period after it instead of "in" or "on" should be a clue, now you want me to explain GenZ? It's a demographic group. Like GenX. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z "Gen Z is pretty based." translates to: "I, in general, like the way Gen Z is turning out."
        Molaxx 8y ago
        I don't see anything about nationalistic sentiment in that wiki page. Still I have no idea why you replied to my comment in the first place. It had nothing to do with what I posted. It's good for you that you like genz, but maybe next time tell it to someone that's interested in that fact.
        jakeogh 8y ago
        (edit removed my mistake about who replied to who, it's a great feature of HN to delay replies) As much as I don't like wikipedia, I give them props for not falling into the trap of using the "nationalistic" term there. It's ill defined, and not suited to gathering data since different people have different opinions on what it means. I said "I like Gen Z", and then I said basically "there is nothing wrong in general with liking your country (aka being nationalistic)". I do in fact like them because they are (in my opinion) more pro-US than the previous generation. If you need a wiki to believe me about why I think that, then maybe the second and third sentences in the "Political views" helps. Maybe not. Maybe liking the president means the opposite to you. But wikipedia is junk, and I was stating my opinion so it's kinda moot. I cant glean what you think I haven't responded to. Your orig comment that I replied to was a single word, I offered what I thought about the quote. Specifically, I saw it as dig on the latest trend toward nationalism, and I think that's a good thing. Maybe say more that just "What" if you are asking for something more specific.

by Molaxx 8y ago

jakeogh 8y ago

So you double down with a label? You asked for a cite on based, that's opinion, like saying "is awesome". I could easily go into why I think that, but it's pointless since it's not a statement of fact that one needs citations for. Maybe you want to move the goalpost to your second reply? If so, the TPP, EU, and similar pushes for a NAU (very much on hold due to the backlash aka "nationalism" in the US) are well funded examples.

Molaxx 8y ago
Claiming something is based literally means it's based on something. That something is usually expected to be some fact or some research. If that something is just your opinion, than it's misleading to use the term based. The whole point of my original reply to the OP was seeking citations for his claim. Why did you even reply if it was just to add an opinion? Why are you still on the whole global government thing? It has nothing to do with this discussion.
- jakeogh 8y ago
  "based" in that context, like "my friend is pretty based" is slang. Very common in circles that are happy about the election outcome and the current US economy etc. Admittedly it's recent (2016ish) slang in that usage. It's basically like like saying "my friend is well grounded" or more specifically "my friend has self consistent opinions" with a touch of "I agree with my friends opinions". Please don't ask me for a cite, it's too new, and I would rather not link to a hundred thousand reddit posts.
  - Molaxx 8y ago
    That's pretty Orwellian. It completely muddles the water and make it very hard to separate opinion and fact. Sounds dangerous to me. Anyway, let me get it straight. you didn't mean that Gen Z is a real thing i.e. its existance is based on facts. Just that you agree with the supposed opinions of this hypothetical construct? This makes your original reply even more baffling to me as it really has nothing to do with my comment. I guess I should've been more explicit.
    - jakeogh 8y ago
      I get how you could miss that "based" was not being used in the context you expected, although the period after it instead of "in" or "on" should be a clue, now you want me to explain GenZ? It's a demographic group. Like GenX. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z "Gen Z is pretty based." translates to: "I, in general, like the way Gen Z is turning out."
      - Molaxx 8y ago
        I don't see anything about nationalistic sentiment in that wiki page. Still I have no idea why you replied to my comment in the first place. It had nothing to do with what I posted. It's good for you that you like genz, but maybe next time tell it to someone that's interested in that fact.
        jakeogh 8y ago
        (edit removed my mistake about who replied to who, it's a great feature of HN to delay replies) As much as I don't like wikipedia, I give them props for not falling into the trap of using the "nationalistic" term there. It's ill defined, and not suited to gathering data since different people have different opinions on what it means. I said "I like Gen Z", and then I said basically "there is nothing wrong in general with liking your country (aka being nationalistic)". I do in fact like them because they are (in my opinion) more pro-US than the previous generation. If you need a wiki to believe me about why I think that, then maybe the second and third sentences in the "Political views" helps. Maybe not. Maybe liking the president means the opposite to you. But wikipedia is junk, and I was stating my opinion so it's kinda moot. I cant glean what you think I haven't responded to. Your orig comment that I replied to was a single word, I offered what I thought about the quote. Specifically, I saw it as dig on the latest trend toward nationalism, and I think that's a good thing. Maybe say more that just "What" if you are asking for something more specific.