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/r/ElsaGate monitors this quite actively. The current prevailing non-tin-foil-hat theory is that some animators realised that they could game YouTube's suggest

/r/ElsaGate monitors this quite actively. The current prevailing non-tin-foil-hat theory is that some animators realised that they could game YouTube's suggestion algorithm, and that kids videos are an easy target. Kids also are very inquisitive when it comes to subjects you tell them are inappropriate. Over time the videos with darker themes got more clicks and it has spiralled out of control since. Throw in some bots to increase views and comment rapidly once videos are released to increase rankings and you've got a perfect ad-revenue scheme. Of course there's nutjobs who think it's a pedophile ring normalising sexual violence to kids, but there's an equal likelihood of pizzagate being real.

borne0 9y ago
I think that's over thinking it a bit, youtube algos are easy to manipulate and a single thread on 4chan can create a fair bit of weird media, for the explicit intent of creating weird media.
- mayniac 9y ago
  I do prefer the 4chan theory, since it satisfies Occam's Razor. That said, the frequency of new videos from multiple channels dedicated to nothing but these videos, as well as the monetisation, makes it unlikely. Also considering the number of subscribers the subreddit has I'm sure that if there were any new 4chan threads suggesting people make those videos it would've been spotted. It's honestly the sheer number of videos that is the shocking part of the mystery. It's not just a few dozen videos from different animators, it's hundreds of videos from dozens of channels pumping this stuff out. Unfortunately I find it unlikely that we'll ever find out the cause.
  - andrepd 9y ago
    The cause is algorithms run amok. Find popular keywords: Elsa, Frozen, Fidget Spinner, Sexual. Have an AI mix these in whatever weird way and churn out nightmare fuel to kids, in exchange for big fat ad revenue. Kids, more easily manipulated, and with a whole life as consumers ahead of them, are valuable targets...
  - gowld 9y ago
    Computers are very good at taking something they've done once, and doing is a billion times.
- tzahola 9y ago
  Excuse me, but AFAIK it was 4chan who started calling out these videos in the first place.
  - username223 9y ago
    Both can be true at the same time. 4chan is basically about pointing and laughing at things on the internet, right? So it doesn't matter much whether they're gaming YT's algorithm to show disturbing things to kids, or pointing to other people doing it. (Also, I find it weird to give a kindergartener unsupervised access to any internet device. They don't understand the threats they're confronting.)
    - mcphage 9y ago
      > Also, I find it weird to give a kindergartener unsupervised access to any internet device. They don't understand the threats they're confronting. That was the selling point of Youtube Kids—it wasn't supposed to be unsupervised access to the internet. It was supposed to be curated.
      - username223 9y ago
        Letting a multi-billion-dollar surveillance company show more or less whatever it wants to very young children seems like a bad idea. We tried a very primitive version of this model a couple decades ago, with Saturday morning cartoons interspersed with ads selling sugary cereal, and the results were not great.
sintaxi 9y ago
That seems like a reasonable non-tinfoil-hat explanation. So why does the elsagate videos follow MKUltra patterns? Is is purely found to be more effective for monetization purposes?
- jstanley 9y ago
  What "MKUltra patterns" do they follow?
  - sintaxi 9y ago
    Normalization of trauma and injury. The red, pink, blue, yellow, green colour scheme. Repetition of bugs, knives, needles, and bodily fluids.
    - CrystalLangUser 9y ago
      > red, pink, blue, yellow, green colour scheme Is there an actual explanation for this? Those are everyday colors... or have I been living on planet earth as an unwitting MKUltra subject?
      - sintaxi 9y ago
        Please show me where in every day those five colours show up together.
        CrystalLangUser 9y ago
        Sky, sun, flowers, fruits, trees, vegetables, animals, grass, dirt, etc.
        pavlov 9y ago
        Every toddler toy ever manufactured?
        ascorbic 9y ago
        That's literally the three additive primary colours, plus one subtractive. It's hard to get more common colours.
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borne0 9y ago

I think that's over thinking it a bit, youtube algos are easy to manipulate and a single thread on 4chan can create a fair bit of weird media, for the explicit intent of creating weird media.

mayniac 9y ago
I do prefer the 4chan theory, since it satisfies Occam's Razor. That said, the frequency of new videos from multiple channels dedicated to nothing but these videos, as well as the monetisation, makes it unlikely. Also considering the number of subscribers the subreddit has I'm sure that if there were any new 4chan threads suggesting people make those videos it would've been spotted. It's honestly the sheer number of videos that is the shocking part of the mystery. It's not just a few dozen videos from different animators, it's hundreds of videos from dozens of channels pumping this stuff out. Unfortunately I find it unlikely that we'll ever find out the cause.
- andrepd 9y ago
  The cause is algorithms run amok. Find popular keywords: Elsa, Frozen, Fidget Spinner, Sexual. Have an AI mix these in whatever weird way and churn out nightmare fuel to kids, in exchange for big fat ad revenue. Kids, more easily manipulated, and with a whole life as consumers ahead of them, are valuable targets...
- gowld 9y ago
  Computers are very good at taking something they've done once, and doing is a billion times.
tzahola 9y ago
Excuse me, but AFAIK it was 4chan who started calling out these videos in the first place.
- username223 9y ago
  Both can be true at the same time. 4chan is basically about pointing and laughing at things on the internet, right? So it doesn't matter much whether they're gaming YT's algorithm to show disturbing things to kids, or pointing to other people doing it. (Also, I find it weird to give a kindergartener unsupervised access to any internet device. They don't understand the threats they're confronting.)
  - mcphage 9y ago
    > Also, I find it weird to give a kindergartener unsupervised access to any internet device. They don't understand the threats they're confronting. That was the selling point of Youtube Kids—it wasn't supposed to be unsupervised access to the internet. It was supposed to be curated.
    - username223 9y ago
      Letting a multi-billion-dollar surveillance company show more or less whatever it wants to very young children seems like a bad idea. We tried a very primitive version of this model a couple decades ago, with Saturday morning cartoons interspersed with ads selling sugary cereal, and the results were not great.

sintaxi 9y ago

That seems like a reasonable non-tinfoil-hat explanation. So why does the elsagate videos follow MKUltra patterns? Is is purely found to be more effective for monetization purposes?

jstanley 9y ago
What "MKUltra patterns" do they follow?
- sintaxi 9y ago
  Normalization of trauma and injury. The red, pink, blue, yellow, green colour scheme. Repetition of bugs, knives, needles, and bodily fluids.
  - CrystalLangUser 9y ago
    > red, pink, blue, yellow, green colour scheme Is there an actual explanation for this? Those are everyday colors... or have I been living on planet earth as an unwitting MKUltra subject?
    - sintaxi 9y ago
      Please show me where in every day those five colours show up together.
      - CrystalLangUser 9y ago
        Sky, sun, flowers, fruits, trees, vegetables, animals, grass, dirt, etc.
      - pavlov 9y ago
        Every toddler toy ever manufactured?
      - ascorbic 9y ago
        That's literally the three additive primary colours, plus one subtractive. It's hard to get more common colours.

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