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The right way to fix corruption is to make the state transparent - RTI was a right step in this direction. Opening up the citizen to the state feels like progre

The right way to fix corruption is to make the state transparent - RTI was a right step in this direction. Opening up the citizen to the state feels like progress, but isn't really.

fooker 9y ago
That is like saying that the right way to fix bugs is by conducting meetings to grill the programmer. Sure, it can work but it does not scale. If clerks spend all day manually answering RTI queries who will do the work?
- microcolonel 9y ago
  Where in the world do clerks spend all day answering FOI/RTI queries? I feel people greatly overestimate the typical volume of requests, having personally known at least three FOI officers in two jurisdictions. When you're seeing elevated request volume, it's likely that there's something substantial worth requesting, which is exactly the point of this form of legislation.
  - fooker 9y ago
    Keeping my analogy, developers do not spend the whole day at meetings, but meeting to fix bugs are not generally worth it. Also, when there is a high volume of meetings, there is likely something wrong. I know for a fact that in the Indian Railways, people spend weeks digging up information required to answer RTI queries. Instead of going by feelings ask government employees (preferably someone with a high level view of things) about it. I am not saying RTI is useless. However, without a computerized infrastructure for most, if not all, protocols and processes in the government, it is just a game of cat and mouse.
    - microcolonel 9y ago
      > I know for a fact that in the Indian Railways, people spend weeks digging up information required to answer RTI queries. The usual solution to a problem like that is to publish the frequently requested types of information in bulk, before they need to be requested, since they are public records by definition. It costs a bit more than doing nothing, but not nearly as much as corruption does.
  - csydas 9y ago
    > When you're seeing elevated request volume, it's likely that there's something substantial worth requesting Or you're seeing persons trying to frustrate the system with senseless requests. This happens with businesses all the time when they provide courtesy services (sprint's tty service for example was a regular tool for prank calls, USPS and their free boxes resulted in people being flooded with box orders) I'm 100% for transparency, but it's not a magic bullet. There is a real and non trivial cost for such transparency and it's the price we have to pay for diligence. often, societies seem unwilling to pay and instead demand that an organization do everything they used to and more with no additional resources, and transparency, especially for organizatikns without the resources to have digitized things,means a lot of human input and work.
- GordonS 9y ago
  I see it more as saying that more bugs can be found with OSS
fareesh 9y ago
RTI puts a target on your back if you ask the wrong questions. So many have died already.
thewhitetulip 9y ago
The "party with a difference" and the self procliamed "transparent" party has reduced funding for RTI by 1/4th and almost all RTIs are rejected due to flimsy reasons.

The right way to fix corruption is to make the state transparent - RTI was a right step in this direction. Opening up the citizen to the state feels like progress, but isn't really.

fooker 9y ago

That is like saying that the right way to fix bugs is by conducting meetings to grill the programmer. Sure, it can work but it does not scale. If clerks spend all day manually answering RTI queries who will do the work?

microcolonel 9y ago
Where in the world do clerks spend all day answering FOI/RTI queries? I feel people greatly overestimate the typical volume of requests, having personally known at least three FOI officers in two jurisdictions. When you're seeing elevated request volume, it's likely that there's something substantial worth requesting, which is exactly the point of this form of legislation.
- fooker 9y ago
  Keeping my analogy, developers do not spend the whole day at meetings, but meeting to fix bugs are not generally worth it. Also, when there is a high volume of meetings, there is likely something wrong. I know for a fact that in the Indian Railways, people spend weeks digging up information required to answer RTI queries. Instead of going by feelings ask government employees (preferably someone with a high level view of things) about it. I am not saying RTI is useless. However, without a computerized infrastructure for most, if not all, protocols and processes in the government, it is just a game of cat and mouse.
  - microcolonel 9y ago
    > I know for a fact that in the Indian Railways, people spend weeks digging up information required to answer RTI queries. The usual solution to a problem like that is to publish the frequently requested types of information in bulk, before they need to be requested, since they are public records by definition. It costs a bit more than doing nothing, but not nearly as much as corruption does.
- csydas 9y ago
  > When you're seeing elevated request volume, it's likely that there's something substantial worth requesting Or you're seeing persons trying to frustrate the system with senseless requests. This happens with businesses all the time when they provide courtesy services (sprint's tty service for example was a regular tool for prank calls, USPS and their free boxes resulted in people being flooded with box orders) I'm 100% for transparency, but it's not a magic bullet. There is a real and non trivial cost for such transparency and it's the price we have to pay for diligence. often, societies seem unwilling to pay and instead demand that an organization do everything they used to and more with no additional resources, and transparency, especially for organizatikns without the resources to have digitized things,means a lot of human input and work.
GordonS 9y ago
I see it more as saying that more bugs can be found with OSS

fareesh 9y ago

RTI puts a target on your back if you ask the wrong questions. So many have died already.

thewhitetulip 9y ago

The "party with a difference" and the self procliamed "transparent" party has reduced funding for RTI by 1/4th and almost all RTIs are rejected due to flimsy reasons.