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The keyword being now. It happened when they realised that they were going to be knocked off their pedestal if they didn’t open up - not when they were at the h

by __sr__ 9y ago

The keyword being now. It happened when they realised that they were going to be knocked off their pedestal if they didn’t open up - not when they were at the height of their power. By the way, is the XML Office file format really open — to the extant where one can create a third party client which works as well as the official one without reverse engineering?

zeusk 9y ago
now since: Initial release 7 December 2006; 11 years ago
- __sr__ 9y ago
  The demise had already started back then with the advent of Web apps and crappiness and delay of Vista. In fact, MS started losing its power and clout way back in early 2000s, even if the effects were not very evident until much later. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/06/13/how-microsoft-lost-the-api-war/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/06/13/how-microsoft-lost...
  - zeusk 9y ago
    Sure, also this is the year of Linux? isn't it?
    - __sr__ 9y ago
      The year of the Linux on desktop/laptop is a fabulous myth - nothing more. Read the attached blog before posting sarcastic comments like this one. On the other hand, Linux is pretty much everywhere other than desktop/laptop, which are becoming increasingly less relevant. Perhaps demise is too strong a word, but decline from its status as the apex predator of the industry is more appropriate. MS is still powerful, but it is no longer the King.
      - pjmlp 9y ago
        Linux is irrelevant on mobiles. Apple devices obviously don't run it, Android and ChromeOS might have Linux underneath but only expose Java, JavaScript, ANSI C/C++ lib and Android specific native APIs. Android P could be released with a complete different kernel and only OEMs would notice, all user space apps would be kept running.
        __sr__ 9y ago
        > Linux is irrelevant on mobiles So is Windows. And on servers, Linux is the king. The comment was in response to the sarcastic comment about The Year of Linux Desktop. I am not really debating Linux vs others here.
        pjmlp 9y ago
        Actually Linux is the king on servers because it is major quality is not having to pay for licenses. Our Java, .NET and C++ servers don't care 1 second on which OSes they are actually running.
        __sr__ 9y ago
        And that is where you are horribly mistaken. Typical Java/.Net coders may not care about the underlying platform while coding, but people working with large scale real world applications do. Java/.Net may abstract away the APIs, they still have to use the underlying stack. Their performance is still dependent on the performance of the underlying stack. I have seen the same application with drastically different performance characteristics on different platforms. Linux is the king on the server because it has been heavily fine tuned for the server over the ages. The cost, while a factor, is not as relevant. Any company deploying large scale applications on Linux has to hire enough engineers to keep it running that the cost of Windows is largely offset. If it were just a matter of cost, we’d see more deployments of FreeBSD and the likes. It is the same reason people stick to Java despite all its shortcomings.
        9y ago

by __sr__ 9y ago

zeusk 9y ago

now since: Initial release 7 December 2006; 11 years ago

__sr__ 9y ago
The demise had already started back then with the advent of Web apps and crappiness and delay of Vista. In fact, MS started losing its power and clout way back in early 2000s, even if the effects were not very evident until much later. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/06/13/how-microsoft-lost-the-api-war/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/06/13/how-microsoft-lost...
- zeusk 9y ago
  Sure, also this is the year of Linux? isn't it?
  - __sr__ 9y ago
    The year of the Linux on desktop/laptop is a fabulous myth - nothing more. Read the attached blog before posting sarcastic comments like this one. On the other hand, Linux is pretty much everywhere other than desktop/laptop, which are becoming increasingly less relevant. Perhaps demise is too strong a word, but decline from its status as the apex predator of the industry is more appropriate. MS is still powerful, but it is no longer the King.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      Linux is irrelevant on mobiles. Apple devices obviously don't run it, Android and ChromeOS might have Linux underneath but only expose Java, JavaScript, ANSI C/C++ lib and Android specific native APIs. Android P could be released with a complete different kernel and only OEMs would notice, all user space apps would be kept running.
      - __sr__ 9y ago
        > Linux is irrelevant on mobiles So is Windows. And on servers, Linux is the king. The comment was in response to the sarcastic comment about The Year of Linux Desktop. I am not really debating Linux vs others here.
        pjmlp 9y ago
        Actually Linux is the king on servers because it is major quality is not having to pay for licenses. Our Java, .NET and C++ servers don't care 1 second on which OSes they are actually running.
        __sr__ 9y ago
        And that is where you are horribly mistaken. Typical Java/.Net coders may not care about the underlying platform while coding, but people working with large scale real world applications do. Java/.Net may abstract away the APIs, they still have to use the underlying stack. Their performance is still dependent on the performance of the underlying stack. I have seen the same application with drastically different performance characteristics on different platforms. Linux is the king on the server because it has been heavily fine tuned for the server over the ages. The cost, while a factor, is not as relevant. Any company deploying large scale applications on Linux has to hire enough engineers to keep it running that the cost of Windows is largely offset. If it were just a matter of cost, we’d see more deployments of FreeBSD and the likes. It is the same reason people stick to Java despite all its shortcomings.
        9y ago