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Fast, smooth, and had very robust development environment. One thing Microsoft knows how is to develop a language/platform (.net, for example), and provide tool

Fast, smooth, and had very robust development environment. One thing Microsoft knows how is to develop a language/platform (.net, for example), and provide tooling around that. 5 years ago, Visual Studio was years ahead of what today's mobile tools can do.

throwafk81 9y ago
I hope you’re kidding with the dev environment thing. WP died because they changed everything completely with every OS release. Not to mention that to develop an app they required you to have Hyper-V, which is only available in Pro editions of Windows and CPUs with VT-x.
- tehlike 9y ago
  I was definitely not kidding. 10+ years of c# experience, and 5+ years of android, and you can see the difference between the two. Hyper-V and so on, i certainly do not remember as I had them anyway, but talking about purely the dev env and ease of platform to me tells it all. Android has not been written from "application dev" pov. With all these contexts, application contexts, leaky abstractions all over, it certainly is not a robust platform.
bitmapbrother 9y ago
Did you even develop for windows phone? Because it's like you have no idea of what the development process entailed or how frequently they changed it.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  Still way less how Google handles Android development, where recommended API in version X, turns out legacy in version X+1, replaced in X+2, but all need to be supported thanks to lack of updates.
  - bitmapbrother 9y ago
    Unlike the chaos, constant churn and developer frustration of Windows Phone development, Android development hasn't needed to osbourne their development environment and tools every year because of incompetence.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      Instead they show incompetence at stuff like fragments, replacing build systems, broken Gradle builds at each update, outdated documentation, broken Android Studio and Support library releases, removing AS plugins without documenting how to work with them gone, adding PWAs and Flutter to the mix, ... Which so much Android love I am curious to see how many apps you have released, since you seem to like the experience so much.
      - bitmapbrother 9y ago
        Incompetence was trying to convince developers to use that Flash ripoff Silverlight for mobile app development or trying to debug that horrible XAML pile of garbage or trying to build UI's with that bug infested piece of garbage expression studio. With Windows phone development you could never get comfortable because they were always osbourning the OS once they realized what a piece of garbage it was.
        pjmlp 9y ago
        As expected, just bloody hate towards Microsoft and Google advocacy without Android development experience. Have you forgotten to write Microsoft as M$?
        bitmapbrother 9y ago
        It's amusing how forgetful you are of all of the Windows phone development environment failures and the nightmares it entailed for developers, but somehow have Android development issues burned into your brain. I'm guessing you still harbor resentment towards Google for the failure of Windows phone. In time you'll eventually recognize that it was all due to the incompetence of Microsoft.
- tehlike 9y ago
  Yes, i did. I have also done android.

throwafk81 9y ago

I hope you’re kidding with the dev environment thing. WP died because they changed everything completely with every OS release. Not to mention that to develop an app they required you to have Hyper-V, which is only available in Pro editions of Windows and CPUs with VT-x.

tehlike 9y ago
I was definitely not kidding. 10+ years of c# experience, and 5+ years of android, and you can see the difference between the two. Hyper-V and so on, i certainly do not remember as I had them anyway, but talking about purely the dev env and ease of platform to me tells it all. Android has not been written from "application dev" pov. With all these contexts, application contexts, leaky abstractions all over, it certainly is not a robust platform.

bitmapbrother 9y ago

Did you even develop for windows phone? Because it's like you have no idea of what the development process entailed or how frequently they changed it.

pjmlp 9y ago
Still way less how Google handles Android development, where recommended API in version X, turns out legacy in version X+1, replaced in X+2, but all need to be supported thanks to lack of updates.
- bitmapbrother 9y ago
  Unlike the chaos, constant churn and developer frustration of Windows Phone development, Android development hasn't needed to osbourne their development environment and tools every year because of incompetence.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Instead they show incompetence at stuff like fragments, replacing build systems, broken Gradle builds at each update, outdated documentation, broken Android Studio and Support library releases, removing AS plugins without documenting how to work with them gone, adding PWAs and Flutter to the mix, ... Which so much Android love I am curious to see how many apps you have released, since you seem to like the experience so much.
    - bitmapbrother 9y ago
      Incompetence was trying to convince developers to use that Flash ripoff Silverlight for mobile app development or trying to debug that horrible XAML pile of garbage or trying to build UI's with that bug infested piece of garbage expression studio. With Windows phone development you could never get comfortable because they were always osbourning the OS once they realized what a piece of garbage it was.
      - pjmlp 9y ago
        As expected, just bloody hate towards Microsoft and Google advocacy without Android development experience. Have you forgotten to write Microsoft as M$?
        bitmapbrother 9y ago
        It's amusing how forgetful you are of all of the Windows phone development environment failures and the nightmares it entailed for developers, but somehow have Android development issues burned into your brain. I'm guessing you still harbor resentment towards Google for the failure of Windows phone. In time you'll eventually recognize that it was all due to the incompetence of Microsoft.
tehlike 9y ago
Yes, i did. I have also done android.