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Most of the arguments I read here are the same one: WP was fast and smooth. But it was not particularly fast, you are simply comparing it to Android, which fuc

Most of the arguments I read here are the same one: WP was fast and smooth. But it was not particularly fast, you are simply comparing it to Android, which fucking sucks. And other than that, it had no other redeeming qualities.

tehlike 8y ago
Fast, smooth, and had very robust development environment. One thing Microsoft knows how is to develop a language/platform (.net, for example), and provide tooling around that. 5 years ago, Visual Studio was years ahead of what today's mobile tools can do.
- throwafk81 8y ago
  I hope you’re kidding with the dev environment thing. WP died because they changed everything completely with every OS release. Not to mention that to develop an app they required you to have Hyper-V, which is only available in Pro editions of Windows and CPUs with VT-x.
  - tehlike 8y ago
    I was definitely not kidding. 10+ years of c# experience, and 5+ years of android, and you can see the difference between the two. Hyper-V and so on, i certainly do not remember as I had them anyway, but talking about purely the dev env and ease of platform to me tells it all. Android has not been written from "application dev" pov. With all these contexts, application contexts, leaky abstractions all over, it certainly is not a robust platform.
- bitmapbrother 8y ago
  Did you even develop for windows phone? Because it's like you have no idea of what the development process entailed or how frequently they changed it.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    Still way less how Google handles Android development, where recommended API in version X, turns out legacy in version X+1, replaced in X+2, but all need to be supported thanks to lack of updates.
    - bitmapbrother 8y ago
      Unlike the chaos, constant churn and developer frustration of Windows Phone development, Android development hasn't needed to osbourne their development environment and tools every year because of incompetence.
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        Instead they show incompetence at stuff like fragments, replacing build systems, broken Gradle builds at each update, outdated documentation, broken Android Studio and Support library releases, removing AS plugins without documenting how to work with them gone, adding PWAs and Flutter to the mix, ... Which so much Android love I am curious to see how many apps you have released, since you seem to like the experience so much.
        bitmapbrother 8y ago
        Incompetence was trying to convince developers to use that Flash ripoff Silverlight for mobile app development or trying to debug that horrible XAML pile of garbage or trying to build UI's with that bug infested piece of garbage expression studio. With Windows phone development you could never get comfortable because they were always osbourning the OS once they realized what a piece of garbage it was.
        pjmlp 8y ago
        As expected, just bloody hate towards Microsoft and Google advocacy without Android development experience. Have you forgotten to write Microsoft as M$?
__sr__ 8y ago
Being better than Android is a low bar to clear. Android was, and remains, a Frankenstein’s monster[1] which was hastily cobbled together at Google to capitalise on the new marked created by the iPhone before MS could lock them out of it. In fact, if MS had brought WP 8 sometime in 2010, the story would be a lot different. [1] It is evident by the fact that Google is still trying to fix the fundamentals like permissions, updates etc. Android is essentially what you get when you try to cram an OS primarily used on servers and high end workstations on a mobile phone and pair it with a programming environment which is also used primarily used on servers by implementing a quick and dirty runtime from scratch.
- bitmapbrother 8y ago
  >Being better than Android is a low bar to clear. I'd ask you to cite some examples of why Android is a "low bar to clear", but I doubt I'd get back anything of substance. >Android was, and remains, a Frankenstein’s monster[1] which was hastily cobbled together at Google to capitalise on the new marked created by the iPhone before MS could lock them out of it. Could you point to the Android github examples that support your claims that Android is a Frankenstein’s monster which was hastily cobbled together? You see, that's the nice thing about being an open source OS - you can actually see the source code and call out people for making ridiculous comments about things they have no idea of what they're talking about. >In fact, if MS had brought WP 8 sometime in 2010, the story would be a lot different. No it wouldn't have. It would have played out exactly the way it did.
  - realusername 8y ago
    > I'd ask you to cite some examples of why Android is a "low bar to clear", but I doubt I'd get back anything of substance. Manufacturers can do mostly what they want without any downsides so at the end you just end up with ROMs similar in quality to WinXP themes. The Android APIs themselves are just layer and layer of hacks and inconsistencies on top of each other which is the main reason why most of the Android apps look so ugly in the first place.
    - 8y ago

tehlike 8y ago

Fast, smooth, and had very robust development environment. One thing Microsoft knows how is to develop a language/platform (.net, for example), and provide tooling around that. 5 years ago, Visual Studio was years ahead of what today's mobile tools can do.

throwafk81 8y ago
I hope you’re kidding with the dev environment thing. WP died because they changed everything completely with every OS release. Not to mention that to develop an app they required you to have Hyper-V, which is only available in Pro editions of Windows and CPUs with VT-x.
- tehlike 8y ago
  I was definitely not kidding. 10+ years of c# experience, and 5+ years of android, and you can see the difference between the two. Hyper-V and so on, i certainly do not remember as I had them anyway, but talking about purely the dev env and ease of platform to me tells it all. Android has not been written from "application dev" pov. With all these contexts, application contexts, leaky abstractions all over, it certainly is not a robust platform.
bitmapbrother 8y ago
Did you even develop for windows phone? Because it's like you have no idea of what the development process entailed or how frequently they changed it.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  Still way less how Google handles Android development, where recommended API in version X, turns out legacy in version X+1, replaced in X+2, but all need to be supported thanks to lack of updates.
  - bitmapbrother 8y ago
    Unlike the chaos, constant churn and developer frustration of Windows Phone development, Android development hasn't needed to osbourne their development environment and tools every year because of incompetence.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      Instead they show incompetence at stuff like fragments, replacing build systems, broken Gradle builds at each update, outdated documentation, broken Android Studio and Support library releases, removing AS plugins without documenting how to work with them gone, adding PWAs and Flutter to the mix, ... Which so much Android love I am curious to see how many apps you have released, since you seem to like the experience so much.
      - bitmapbrother 8y ago
        Incompetence was trying to convince developers to use that Flash ripoff Silverlight for mobile app development or trying to debug that horrible XAML pile of garbage or trying to build UI's with that bug infested piece of garbage expression studio. With Windows phone development you could never get comfortable because they were always osbourning the OS once they realized what a piece of garbage it was.
        pjmlp 8y ago
        As expected, just bloody hate towards Microsoft and Google advocacy without Android development experience. Have you forgotten to write Microsoft as M$?

__sr__ 8y ago

Being better than Android is a low bar to clear. Android was, and remains, a Frankenstein’s monster[1] which was hastily cobbled together at Google to capitalise on the new marked created by the iPhone before MS could lock them out of it. In fact, if MS had brought WP 8 sometime in 2010, the story would be a lot different. [1] It is evident by the fact that Google is still trying to fix the fundamentals like permissions, updates etc. Android is essentially what you get when you try to cram an OS primarily used on servers and high end workstations on a mobile phone and pair it with a programming environment which is also used primarily used on servers by implementing a quick and dirty runtime from scratch.

bitmapbrother 8y ago
>Being better than Android is a low bar to clear. I'd ask you to cite some examples of why Android is a "low bar to clear", but I doubt I'd get back anything of substance. >Android was, and remains, a Frankenstein’s monster[1] which was hastily cobbled together at Google to capitalise on the new marked created by the iPhone before MS could lock them out of it. Could you point to the Android github examples that support your claims that Android is a Frankenstein’s monster which was hastily cobbled together? You see, that's the nice thing about being an open source OS - you can actually see the source code and call out people for making ridiculous comments about things they have no idea of what they're talking about. >In fact, if MS had brought WP 8 sometime in 2010, the story would be a lot different. No it wouldn't have. It would have played out exactly the way it did.
- realusername 8y ago
  > I'd ask you to cite some examples of why Android is a "low bar to clear", but I doubt I'd get back anything of substance. Manufacturers can do mostly what they want without any downsides so at the end you just end up with ROMs similar in quality to WinXP themes. The Android APIs themselves are just layer and layer of hacks and inconsistencies on top of each other which is the main reason why most of the Android apps look so ugly in the first place.
  - 8y ago