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On the money. Fuck the 9-5 corporate work life. I've been doing this everyday for 12 years..and I'm about to blow my brains out. I encourage everyone to find

On the money. Fuck the 9-5 corporate work life. I've been doing this everyday for 12 years..and I'm about to blow my brains out. I encourage everyone to find one thing they love and find a way to do it everyday for the rest of your life.

kirso 9y ago
A bit too radical, lots of people enjoy having a job and stability that it brings. Entrepreneurship is romanticised by entreporn on Medium. Essentially there is no black and white answer, everyone should just do what gives him/her meaning.
- mercer 9y ago
  I think it's interesting that: > I encourage everyone to find one thing they love and find a way to do it everyday for the rest of your life. ...is translated to entrepreneurship, when that doesn't have to be a given. I'm still struggling with the alternative possibilities, but I just wanted to point that out. That said I do agree with your conclusion. It's the path to get there that can keep me up at night, and perhaps not framing it purely in terms of being employed or self-employed might help (not saying that that's what you were saying, btw).
LeozMax 9y ago
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yvqqxw/who-stole-the-four-hour-workday-0000406-v21n8 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yvqqxw/who-stole-the-four...
LeozMax 9y ago
The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 enshrined the eight-hour day as the norm. That was to be the last in a century of reductions. Every hour of work became more and more productive, while the owning class gobbled up an ever greater share of the benefits. We have stopped imagining, as Keynes thought it so reasonable to do, that our grandchildren might have it easier than ourselves. We hope that they'll have jobs, maybe even jobs that they like.
factsaresacred 9y ago
> and I'm about to blow my brains out. Please don't. A. You'll mess up that screen you're paid to stare into ;) B. More seriously, if you ain't being facetious, switch jobs. But to your point: work is a drag. I don't care how free the food is or how comfortable your ergonomic keyboard feels. Deep down there's something dissatisfying about most corporate life. But at the same time it's never been easier to (try!) start your own thing, as you suggest. To anybody reading this, go for it. Before responsibility limits your risk-taking. And give it absolutely everything.
- pluto9 9y ago
  > I don't care how free the food is I tend to see perks like "free food" as a red flag when I'm job hunting. In my experience, employers that go way above and beyond to make an office comfortable are doing it because they expect you to spend virtually all of your time there. Any office that has a game room or a cafeteria is extremely suspect. All I need is relative quiet, a reasonable meeting schedule, and decent equipment. I'll buy my own lunch and leave at 5, thanks.
  - watwut 9y ago
    As one blogger said, perks are cheaper then salary raise.
    - pluto9 9y ago
      Exactly. I once had a manager who tried to incentivize my team to work overtime for two months to hit an unrealistic deadline set by the sales department. The incentive was that we would have a pizza party IF we hit the deadline. Monetary compensation was never even discussed.
      - bugsy 9y ago
        > The incentive was that we would have a pizza party IF we hit the deadline. This same thing happened to me when I was a wee lad. I then personally ordered and paid for a few pizzas, breadsticks, root beer, a greek salad, about $50 all together, and hosted a pizza party myself at work late at night. To get your slice I just had you sign a petition against unpaid overtime and interest in joining the Teamsters Union. A couple guys didn't want to sign, the others did. A few weeks later I was fired with cause, had a better paying job by the end of the week. Company folded around a year later. And good.
rhapsodic 9y ago
>I encourage everyone to find one thing they love and find a way to do it everyday for the rest of your life. If everyone followed your advice, we would probably have garbage piling up in the streets, because I doubt there are enough people who love collecting it or working in landfills to handle even a fraction of the garbage we generate.
- mkagenius 9y ago
  Your reasoning assumes, there can be no one interested in developing automated way to collect garbage or that there could be garbage which is auto collected. My point being, there are endless possibilities if you do not restrict yourself.
  - rhapsodic 9y ago
    >Your reasoning assumes, there can be no one interested in developing automated way to collect garbage That's ridiculous, my reasoning assumes no such thing. I'm well aware that there are, and for at least decades have been, many people engaged in that exact activity. (Whether they "love" it or not.) And yet, we still need many many people who are willing to undergo the drudgery of manually collecting garbage. My reasoning does assume that we will continue to need those people, albeit in decreasing numbers, for decades to come.
mancerayder 9y ago
9 to 5 corporate can be depressing, but so can the high-flying, play hard startup life. I'm seeking something somewhat in between these. At least I get paid by the hour which in tech is a great luxury. Salaries are a scam and I stay away from them, at the price of job security. Which doesn't exist anyway, right?
throwaway84742 9y ago
I’ve been there. What you’re contemplating is a permanent solution to a temporary and fixable problem. Change jobs. Optimize for having a life rather than making the most money. Cultivate personal relationships with people you like. Make an effort to live a fuller life.

kirso 9y ago

A bit too radical, lots of people enjoy having a job and stability that it brings. Entrepreneurship is romanticised by entreporn on Medium. Essentially there is no black and white answer, everyone should just do what gives him/her meaning.

mercer 9y ago
I think it's interesting that: > I encourage everyone to find one thing they love and find a way to do it everyday for the rest of your life. ...is translated to entrepreneurship, when that doesn't have to be a given. I'm still struggling with the alternative possibilities, but I just wanted to point that out. That said I do agree with your conclusion. It's the path to get there that can keep me up at night, and perhaps not framing it purely in terms of being employed or self-employed might help (not saying that that's what you were saying, btw).

LeozMax 9y ago

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yvqqxw/who-stole-the-four-hour-workday-0000406-v21n8 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yvqqxw/who-stole-the-four...

LeozMax 9y ago

The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 enshrined the eight-hour day as the norm. That was to be the last in a century of reductions. Every hour of work became more and more productive, while the owning class gobbled up an ever greater share of the benefits. We have stopped imagining, as Keynes thought it so reasonable to do, that our grandchildren might have it easier than ourselves. We hope that they'll have jobs, maybe even jobs that they like.

factsaresacred 9y ago

> and I'm about to blow my brains out. Please don't. A. You'll mess up that screen you're paid to stare into ;) B. More seriously, if you ain't being facetious, switch jobs. But to your point: work is a drag. I don't care how free the food is or how comfortable your ergonomic keyboard feels. Deep down there's something dissatisfying about most corporate life. But at the same time it's never been easier to (try!) start your own thing, as you suggest. To anybody reading this, go for it. Before responsibility limits your risk-taking. And give it absolutely everything.

pluto9 9y ago
> I don't care how free the food is I tend to see perks like "free food" as a red flag when I'm job hunting. In my experience, employers that go way above and beyond to make an office comfortable are doing it because they expect you to spend virtually all of your time there. Any office that has a game room or a cafeteria is extremely suspect. All I need is relative quiet, a reasonable meeting schedule, and decent equipment. I'll buy my own lunch and leave at 5, thanks.
- watwut 9y ago
  As one blogger said, perks are cheaper then salary raise.
  - pluto9 9y ago
    Exactly. I once had a manager who tried to incentivize my team to work overtime for two months to hit an unrealistic deadline set by the sales department. The incentive was that we would have a pizza party IF we hit the deadline. Monetary compensation was never even discussed.
    - bugsy 9y ago
      > The incentive was that we would have a pizza party IF we hit the deadline. This same thing happened to me when I was a wee lad. I then personally ordered and paid for a few pizzas, breadsticks, root beer, a greek salad, about $50 all together, and hosted a pizza party myself at work late at night. To get your slice I just had you sign a petition against unpaid overtime and interest in joining the Teamsters Union. A couple guys didn't want to sign, the others did. A few weeks later I was fired with cause, had a better paying job by the end of the week. Company folded around a year later. And good.

rhapsodic 9y ago

>I encourage everyone to find one thing they love and find a way to do it everyday for the rest of your life. If everyone followed your advice, we would probably have garbage piling up in the streets, because I doubt there are enough people who love collecting it or working in landfills to handle even a fraction of the garbage we generate.

mkagenius 9y ago
Your reasoning assumes, there can be no one interested in developing automated way to collect garbage or that there could be garbage which is auto collected. My point being, there are endless possibilities if you do not restrict yourself.
- rhapsodic 9y ago
  >Your reasoning assumes, there can be no one interested in developing automated way to collect garbage That's ridiculous, my reasoning assumes no such thing. I'm well aware that there are, and for at least decades have been, many people engaged in that exact activity. (Whether they "love" it or not.) And yet, we still need many many people who are willing to undergo the drudgery of manually collecting garbage. My reasoning does assume that we will continue to need those people, albeit in decreasing numbers, for decades to come.

mancerayder 9y ago

9 to 5 corporate can be depressing, but so can the high-flying, play hard startup life. I'm seeking something somewhat in between these. At least I get paid by the hour which in tech is a great luxury. Salaries are a scam and I stay away from them, at the price of job security. Which doesn't exist anyway, right?

throwaway84742 9y ago

I’ve been there. What you’re contemplating is a permanent solution to a temporary and fixable problem. Change jobs. Optimize for having a life rather than making the most money. Cultivate personal relationships with people you like. Make an effort to live a fuller life.