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Take them to court. Or learn to accept it.

ocdtrekkie 9y ago
So you would rather only the rich can afford to protect themselves? RTBF makes it possible for ordinary citizens who can't afford fancy lawyers to fight big corporations to seek redress. This is one of the reasons its so important.
- dingo_bat 9y ago
  > So you would rather only the rich can afford to protect themselves? Does Europe not have the concept of a court-appointed lawyer? > RTBF makes it possible for ordinary citizens who can't afford fancy lawyers to fight big corporations to seek redress. No it makes it possible for criminals to hide their criminality. To be very blunt, if I were an employer, I don't want to hire a murderer. I don't care if he/she was convicted and served their time. Once you have committed murder, I will not hire you. I will not deal with you in any way. Hiding/obfuscating true information from me is wrong. Criminality is public record. It should be easily accessible.
  - ocdtrekkie 9y ago
    Court appointed lawyers are for criminal cases, not civil ones. This is pretty common across legal systems, AFAIK. RTBF does not protect murderers, this is a fundamental lack of knowledge of the law and its clearly marked boundaries.
  - aspaceman 9y ago
    > Does Europe not have the concept of a court-appointed lawyer? Not sure you understand how court-appointed attorneys work. First off, you can't use one to sue someone else since you can only get a court-appointed attorney when you're being charged in a criminal suit. Second, court-appointed attorneys suck. They are underpaid, overworked, and unable to properly do their jobs as is. Requiring legal action would indeed create a scenario where only the rich bring such cases to trial.
DanBC 9y ago
RTBF comes about because someone did exactly that, and the publisher ignored the court rulings. I'm uneasy about some RTBF cases, but where you have a person making prolific publications across a variety of legal jurisdictions and ignoring the legal rulings (which happens in cases of stalking and harrassment, for example) it's impossible for the victim (and they do suffer real harm) to get justice other than asking search engines to de-index the attack pages.

So you would rather only the rich can afford to protect themselves? RTBF makes it possible for ordinary citizens who can't afford fancy lawyers to fight big corporations to seek redress. This is one of the reasons its so important.

dingo_bat 9y ago
> So you would rather only the rich can afford to protect themselves? Does Europe not have the concept of a court-appointed lawyer? > RTBF makes it possible for ordinary citizens who can't afford fancy lawyers to fight big corporations to seek redress. No it makes it possible for criminals to hide their criminality. To be very blunt, if I were an employer, I don't want to hire a murderer. I don't care if he/she was convicted and served their time. Once you have committed murder, I will not hire you. I will not deal with you in any way. Hiding/obfuscating true information from me is wrong. Criminality is public record. It should be easily accessible.
- ocdtrekkie 9y ago
  Court appointed lawyers are for criminal cases, not civil ones. This is pretty common across legal systems, AFAIK. RTBF does not protect murderers, this is a fundamental lack of knowledge of the law and its clearly marked boundaries.
- aspaceman 9y ago
  > Does Europe not have the concept of a court-appointed lawyer? Not sure you understand how court-appointed attorneys work. First off, you can't use one to sue someone else since you can only get a court-appointed attorney when you're being charged in a criminal suit. Second, court-appointed attorneys suck. They are underpaid, overworked, and unable to properly do their jobs as is. Requiring legal action would indeed create a scenario where only the rich bring such cases to trial.

DanBC 9y ago

RTBF comes about because someone did exactly that, and the publisher ignored the court rulings. I'm uneasy about some RTBF cases, but where you have a person making prolific publications across a variety of legal jurisdictions and ignoring the legal rulings (which happens in cases of stalking and harrassment, for example) it's impossible for the victim (and they do suffer real harm) to get justice other than asking search engines to de-index the attack pages.