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Clickbait title. The only germs loving diet soda would be the potential shifts in gut biome as a result of saccharine consumption, which would only apply to Ta

Clickbait title. The only germs loving diet soda would be the potential shifts in gut biome as a result of saccharine consumption, which would only apply to Tab. "The scientists also fed a small group of healthy people saccharin-sweetened drinks for a week. In a subset of volunteers, microbial shifts occurred, accompanied by mounting glucose intolerance. So for some people, diet sodas may not be any healthier than regular sodas." The Nature study has a better title: "Dietary trehalose enhances virulence of epidemic Clostridium difficile" https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25178.epdf https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25178.epdf

mythBustan 9y ago
Tab? Are you joking? The point isn’t about one specific chemical, but rather the principal that the prevalence of non-nutritious, edible chemicals seriously augments the dark, warm controlled environments of our guts. Nutrient capture as a whole, shifts in a way that, at the bottom of the tract, there are chemicals that humans leave unused, but which are still useful to certain opportunistic organisms. If only those chemicals are available, and normal food is absent, every member of the environment is forced to deal with scarcity, and the strongest survive, and fill the void if they can. If those organisms are forced to opperate with greater efficiency, then their capacity to deal with adversity offers them an advantage as an invasive species, and they will prevail in general, everywhere, not just in the adverse scenario.
- kbutler 9y ago
  Yes, Tab. Exactly. Which other diet sodas were identified as having "germs that love diet soda"? The studies show effects for trehalose and saccharine. No diet soda contains trehalose, only Tab contains saccharine. Any effect from the non-nutritive sweeteners in other diet sodas did not appear in the studies, so they focused on saccharine. There may be more subtle effects from those sweeteners, or future effects from those sweeteners, but we haven't found them yet, extrapolation from a general principle not withstanding. "Germs that love Tab" wouldn't draw as many clicks as the current title.
  - matuszeg 9y ago
    Someone posted this above. https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2008/04/17/Coca-Cola-wins-sweetener-legal-battle https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2008/04/17/Coca-Cola-w... Supposedly diet coke from fountains contains saccharine

mythBustan 9y ago

Tab? Are you joking? The point isn’t about one specific chemical, but rather the principal that the prevalence of non-nutritious, edible chemicals seriously augments the dark, warm controlled environments of our guts. Nutrient capture as a whole, shifts in a way that, at the bottom of the tract, there are chemicals that humans leave unused, but which are still useful to certain opportunistic organisms. If only those chemicals are available, and normal food is absent, every member of the environment is forced to deal with scarcity, and the strongest survive, and fill the void if they can. If those organisms are forced to opperate with greater efficiency, then their capacity to deal with adversity offers them an advantage as an invasive species, and they will prevail in general, everywhere, not just in the adverse scenario.

kbutler 9y ago
Yes, Tab. Exactly. Which other diet sodas were identified as having "germs that love diet soda"? The studies show effects for trehalose and saccharine. No diet soda contains trehalose, only Tab contains saccharine. Any effect from the non-nutritive sweeteners in other diet sodas did not appear in the studies, so they focused on saccharine. There may be more subtle effects from those sweeteners, or future effects from those sweeteners, but we haven't found them yet, extrapolation from a general principle not withstanding. "Germs that love Tab" wouldn't draw as many clicks as the current title.
- matuszeg 9y ago
  Someone posted this above. https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2008/04/17/Coca-Cola-wins-sweetener-legal-battle https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2008/04/17/Coca-Cola-w... Supposedly diet coke from fountains contains saccharine