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Sick of jobs going overseas?
- xlnt 18y agoNo. Why is it that racism is super untrendy, but this kind of nationalistic prejudice against foreigners is trendy? Why are Americans more deserving of a given job, just because they are American, and even if they will do an equally good job at a higher price?
- davidmoyle 18y agoWho's prejudice? All I said is consumers are setting a double standard. The people complaining about jobs leaving the country are helping them leave.
- xlnt 18y agoI was replying to the title. And anyway, if people were being racist you wouldn't say "look, a double standard" you'd say "look, racists". Somehow this kind of prejudice is more legitimate.
- seasick 18y ago> Why are Americans more deserving of a given job, just because they are American Why do CEOs deserve to pocket the difference, increasing the divide between rich and poor and eroding what's left of the middle class? If one human is as deserving as another then you shouldn't mind when I redistribute your ill-gotten wealth to myself. "Deserving" is a red herring. People "deserve" to be happy and the whole nine yards. There are practical reasons why you would want to keep up the economic infrastructure around the area where you live. The standard of living you enjoy depends on the standard of living of people around you. The majority of crimes are crimes of poverty. When other people are desperate and you're well-to-do you become a target.
- attack 18y agoEVERY country does this. Lets not pretend that it's just evil America.
- ericb 18y ago192 wrongs makes a right?
- attack 18y agoUnderstanding the world lets you make a better solution.
- xlnt 18y ago195 http://geography.about.com/cs/countries/a/numbercountries.htm http://geography.about.com/cs/countries/a/numbercountries.ht... and to the other guy: I didn't mean to blame America in particular, i actually think America tends to be less prejudiced
- ericb 18y agoI used the conservative number. There are 192 in the UN.
- Prrometheus 18y agoI respect separatist movements and would be willing to add them to the list. America was founded by separatist radicals.
- fallentimes 18y agogogo xenophobia
- kogus 18y agoJobs don't "go overseas". Individuals who happen to live in other countries simply provide more value in their work than individuals in this one. So I try to keep the value of my work as high as I can.
- davidmoyle 18y agoThey provide more "value" because they are as good, but work in countries that don't have the same laws and also have a lower cost of living. The basic argument is one of our own consumer practices. Not weather others do a good job.
- andr 18y agoVery true. It's called geographical or regulatory arbitrage. Things like high cost of health insurance, car insurance, etc., are all results of laws and regulations, but add to the employer's bottom line.
- mrtron 18y agoSo let's take Taiwan electronics manufacturing as an example here. They absolutely dominate in quality and skill at producing electronics, most of the high grade lcd panels in the world are produced there. You are suggesting that Americans buy panels manufactured in the US. I have no idea what the benefit to this would be. Worse panels at a higher price? What does this solve? It would create unsustainable and irrational employment. The way to solve economic downturn is not to close your borders like you suggest. That is the self-centered and naive way of thinking. The way to improve your economic situation is through innovation and wealth creation.
- seasick 18y ago> provide more value Like forgoing health care, worker protections, basic sanitation, you know -- having a very low standard of living. When standard of living starts to rise in one country (or in the relevant segment of it), it risks losing those same jobs to offshoring itself. E.g. India -> Vietnam.
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- ericb 18y agoThe article starts its ramble complaining about tech jobs, then claims tech jobs go overseas due to "stricter labor laws and environmental protection laws." I doubt India's competitive advantages revolve around child engineers dumping wasteful piles of Java into the Ganges. Our declining currency will mitigate how many jobs go overseas as we go forward, anyway.
- davidmoyle 18y agoThe example I gave was based on conversation started revolving around tech.However, the stuff people buy in Walmart made in China with cheap labor would apply. When people vote for labor laws that make a product expensive to manufacture then go buy one made in a country where they don't follow the same laws, they are not being true to their stated values in my opinion. Even if unintentionally.
- ericb 18y agoI agree with what you're saying in here, although I think you say it here better than in the blog post.
- Prrometheus 18y ago>When people vote for labor laws that make a product expensive to manufacture then go buy one made in a country where they don't follow the same laws, they are not being true to their stated values in my opinion. How many people base their vote on a candidate's position on labor laws?
- jpeterson 18y agoGeez...the guy goes to India once in his life and people never stop complaining.
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- attack 18y agoYou also tend to overstate countries' ability to control cost of living expenses. I don't think that I can agree with the conclusion that outsourcing has occurred primarily because of the laws in the US... I mean, really? Take a look at the economic principal of dividing labor up by who can do each task best and how that helps everyone overall.
- Prrometheus 18y agoIn other news: unemployment is still well below historical averages in the United States - as long as you're not a mill worker.