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Yep, the sex trafficking angle has already been debunked.* I've lost almost all respect for most modern feminists simply because they refuse to acknowledge act
by hiram112 9y ago
Yep, the sex trafficking angle has already been debunked.*
I've lost almost all respect for most modern feminists simply because they refuse to acknowledge actual logic and statistics - wage gap BS, sex trafficking hysteria, apex fallacy (e.g. the top 0.001% are over represented by cis white males, but we'll ignore the bottom 20% of laborers, homeless, disposables who are all male), etc.
My litmus test for any feminist is whether they support the legalization of prostitution. Logically, it's her body, her decision. Right?
Nevermind the issue with a male's ability to legally obtain sex / intimacy, even if paid - you'd think this would be considered a human right, deserving of more talk time than, say, the tax-free status of tampons, but I digress...
Feminists who use the sex trafficking BS as a defense against legalization of prostitution deserve 0 respect. They are simply opportunists, trying to establish a monopoly on access to sex, economically no different than Standard Oil, Microsoft, etc.
[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/03/27/lies-damned-lies-and-sex-work-statistics/?utm_term=.529970ea8123 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/03/27/...
- emodendroket 9y agoYou will find self-described feminists on both sides of this issue.
- hiram112 9y agoYes I've noticed. Those feminists who can somehow rationalize the completely illogical stance of my body, my right, yet do not approve of legalized prostitution aren't to taken seriously. Both because it IS her body, her right and also because males have a human right to intimacy, based on their own hierarchy of needs. I will respect any feminist who is logically consistent, even if it disadvantages me as a white cis male. Otherwise, they're not to be taken seriously. It's opportunism at its most shameful.
- SolaceQuantum 9y agoThese are called SWERF(sex worker exclusionary radical feminists) and is already an existing term in feminism that is currently under serious discussion in general communities if I understand it correctly. If you dislike SWERFs you’re in good (feminist) company.
- djsumdog 9y agoWell you have conservative and liberal feminists. Anita Sarkeesian is a great example of a conservative, sex-negative feminist who likes to cherry pick facts and video footage to support an anti-sexualized world view of women. On the other side you have liberal feminists who are sex-positive, for regulated sex work and support Slut Walks.
- pmyteh 9y agoIt's not exactly conservative vs liberal; there are divisions on sex and the nature of being a woman even within the body of radical feminists. I'm simplifying extraordinarily here, but one position might be "sex between men and women happens within the constraints of a patriarchal society and had inherent power imbalances, which is problematic; sex work is overwhelmingly poor and powerless women being exploited for sex by men" (at its extreme suggesting political lesbianism) and the other might be "there's nothing intrinsically anti-feminist about sex, and we can imagine forms of sex and sex work which are liberatory rather than oppressive. Sex work is often exploitative but is also work, and sex workers are women who deserve a voice and better treatment" (at its extreme leading to explicitly feminist pornography). I prefer one to the other, but neither position is hypocritical.
- s2g 9y agoThe idea that men have a right to sex is absurd.
- dahdum 9y agoThe idea of sex as a human right isn't absurd, just controversial. An example is a severely disabled person unable to find a partner. Criminalizing prostitution between two willing parties, could be seen as restriction of the right to a fundamental human experience. That's the basis of the argument anyway.
- s2g 9y agoThat's the option to pay for it. Fundamentally you should have the right to do what you want with your body.
- rokhayakebe 9y agoNot right to sex, right to "legally obtain sex even if paid."
- alsetmusic 9y ago> The idea that men have a right to sex is absurd. All people have a right to sex, so long as it is consensual.
- dang 9y agoThis crosses into ideological flamewar of the kind we're trying to avoid here. Would you please not do that? Thoughtful discussion is the idea, not denunciatory rhetoric. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html