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>and some larger studies, suggest the availability of such online services actually reduce violence, homicide, and sex trafficking. See for example: What study

by ksk 9y ago

>and some larger studies, suggest the availability of such online services actually reduce violence, homicide, and sex trafficking. See for example: What study was this and how do we know its results are accurate and apply in this case? Edit: Also, hopefully we as a society should be looking to reduce, not increase a trade where a human being has to sell themselves like a piece of meat.

dragonwriter 9y ago
> Edit: Also, hopefully we as a society should be looking to reduce, not increase a trade where a human being has to sell themselves like a piece of meat. That's basically the argument against capitalism and wage-labor, sure. But, strangely, many people cheering shuttering prostitution marketplaces are quite happy maintaining and exacerbating conditions in which the bulk of the population is economically coerced to sell themselves like a piece of meat, they just prefer making conditions worse for those who don't have much to sell that is valued by anyone with the means to buy other than sex.
- ksk 9y ago
  >That's basically the argument against capitalism and wage-labor, sure. Yeah, we also don't allow child labor. I assume you don't have a problem with that? Capitalism doesn't work by itself. Human beings are social animals and all capitalist societies have a welfare component. >But, strangely, many people cheering shuttering prostitution marketplaces are quite happy maintaining and exacerbating conditions in which the bulk of the population is economically coerced to sell themselves like a piece of meat, That is ridiculous. "Many people" are certainly not happy to harm vulnerable sections of society. I have no clue who you're refering to. People are against prostitution for rational sane reasons.
RangerScience 9y ago
Sex work != objectification; although the correlation ("in today's society") is really substantial. In other words, this is not inherently a trade where a human being has to sell themselves like a piece of meat; even if today, many/most people in this trade are being sold like a piece of meat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2kJM9yQs9k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2kJM9yQs9k Arguably, this is an attitude problem on the demand side - people who want to buy other people like they're pieces of meat - rather than something about the supply, or the trade itself. Here's a related interesting phenomenon: https://www.google.com/search?q=professional+cuddling https://www.google.com/search?q=professional+cuddling To end with a question: Would you consider professional dominatrixes to be in the trade [of selling themselves like meat]?
- JetSpiegel 9y ago
  There is this funny practice if temporary marriages too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%27ah https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%27ah
  - RangerScience 9y ago
    That's fascinating. People gonna sex, and other people gonna sex 'em up, no matters what else. Where there's a will there's a way and all.
  - Fnoord 9y ago
    > The iddah is intended to give paternal certainty to any child/ren should the wife become pregnant during the temporary marriage contract. Offtopic but damn this is clever (back in the days).
- ksk 9y ago
  >Arguably, this is an attitude problem on the demand side - people who want to buy other people like they're pieces of meat - rather than something about the supply, or the trade itself. Yes, which soliciting sex is also prohibited. >Would you consider professional dominatrixes to be in the trade [of selling themselves like meat]? I don't know. Are 40% of them former child prostitutes? Are they at a high risk of getting murdered? Do they get raped outside of work? Do the vast majority of them experience physical violence?
rokhayakebe 9y ago
Perhaps not all people enjoy having sex in exchange for money, but there are a few people doing this job who like what they do. As long as noone is being coerced, it is fair game. At the same time many people will blame a prostitute for their lifestyle, yet the very same people will marry/date for money. Edit: By the way you may find exchanging sex for money deplorable, but how about having sex for a promotion, or requesting sex in exchange for funding, how about sex for a home and meal. In reality people use sex all day in exchange for something. It is just when money is involved people flip.
- ksk 9y ago
  >At the same time many people will blame a prostitute for their lifestyle, yet the very same people will marry/date for money. No idea what imagined point you're replying to. >By the way you may find exchanging sex for money deplorable, Please don't put words in my mouth. I want to see fewer vulnerable people being exploited. >but how about having sex for a promotion, or requesting sex in exchange for funding, how about sex for a home and meal. In reality people use sex all day in exchange for something. It is just when money is involved people flip. Okay, .. and is this a good thing? I sure hope you don't think so...

by ksk 9y ago

dragonwriter 9y ago

> Edit: Also, hopefully we as a society should be looking to reduce, not increase a trade where a human being has to sell themselves like a piece of meat. That's basically the argument against capitalism and wage-labor, sure. But, strangely, many people cheering shuttering prostitution marketplaces are quite happy maintaining and exacerbating conditions in which the bulk of the population is economically coerced to sell themselves like a piece of meat, they just prefer making conditions worse for those who don't have much to sell that is valued by anyone with the means to buy other than sex.

ksk 9y ago
>That's basically the argument against capitalism and wage-labor, sure. Yeah, we also don't allow child labor. I assume you don't have a problem with that? Capitalism doesn't work by itself. Human beings are social animals and all capitalist societies have a welfare component. >But, strangely, many people cheering shuttering prostitution marketplaces are quite happy maintaining and exacerbating conditions in which the bulk of the population is economically coerced to sell themselves like a piece of meat, That is ridiculous. "Many people" are certainly not happy to harm vulnerable sections of society. I have no clue who you're refering to. People are against prostitution for rational sane reasons.

RangerScience 9y ago

Sex work != objectification; although the correlation ("in today's society") is really substantial. In other words, this is not inherently a trade where a human being has to sell themselves like a piece of meat; even if today, many/most people in this trade are being sold like a piece of meat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2kJM9yQs9k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2kJM9yQs9k Arguably, this is an attitude problem on the demand side - people who want to buy other people like they're pieces of meat - rather than something about the supply, or the trade itself. Here's a related interesting phenomenon: https://www.google.com/search?q=professional+cuddling https://www.google.com/search?q=professional+cuddling To end with a question: Would you consider professional dominatrixes to be in the trade [of selling themselves like meat]?

JetSpiegel 9y ago
There is this funny practice if temporary marriages too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%27ah https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%27ah
- RangerScience 9y ago
  That's fascinating. People gonna sex, and other people gonna sex 'em up, no matters what else. Where there's a will there's a way and all.
- Fnoord 9y ago
  > The iddah is intended to give paternal certainty to any child/ren should the wife become pregnant during the temporary marriage contract. Offtopic but damn this is clever (back in the days).
ksk 9y ago
>Arguably, this is an attitude problem on the demand side - people who want to buy other people like they're pieces of meat - rather than something about the supply, or the trade itself. Yes, which soliciting sex is also prohibited. >Would you consider professional dominatrixes to be in the trade [of selling themselves like meat]? I don't know. Are 40% of them former child prostitutes? Are they at a high risk of getting murdered? Do they get raped outside of work? Do the vast majority of them experience physical violence?

rokhayakebe 9y ago

Perhaps not all people enjoy having sex in exchange for money, but there are a few people doing this job who like what they do. As long as noone is being coerced, it is fair game. At the same time many people will blame a prostitute for their lifestyle, yet the very same people will marry/date for money. Edit: By the way you may find exchanging sex for money deplorable, but how about having sex for a promotion, or requesting sex in exchange for funding, how about sex for a home and meal. In reality people use sex all day in exchange for something. It is just when money is involved people flip.

ksk 9y ago
>At the same time many people will blame a prostitute for their lifestyle, yet the very same people will marry/date for money. No idea what imagined point you're replying to. >By the way you may find exchanging sex for money deplorable, Please don't put words in my mouth. I want to see fewer vulnerable people being exploited. >but how about having sex for a promotion, or requesting sex in exchange for funding, how about sex for a home and meal. In reality people use sex all day in exchange for something. It is just when money is involved people flip. Okay, .. and is this a good thing? I sure hope you don't think so...