You are misunderstanding what I'm saying. I never said the purpose of Agile/Scrum was to turn incompetent people with no interest in improving into a productive

You are misunderstanding what I'm saying. I never said the purpose of Agile/Scrum was to turn incompetent people with no interest in improving into a productive software team. That's not the goal. That was never the goal. You know, you can spend a lot of time mucking around with your C compiler also if you don't know what you're doing. The goal of your C compiler isn't to make you a programmer. It's to help people who already know how to program do it better/faster. Process doesn't replace software engineering. It takes people who already know software engineering and lets them move as quickly as possible.