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> My sense is that, in most cases, sex workers do not act as their own agents, so I see backpage as a platform catering to pimps et al. Just fyi, you are mista

> My sense is that, in most cases, sex workers do not act as their own agents, so I see backpage as a platform catering to pimps et al. Just fyi, you are mistaken. That is the whole reason they have to force/traffick people and trap them rather than just recruit. Anyone here legally and does that sort of sex work has mostly moved away from the pimps. > Though I guess there's an argument to be made that sites like backpage make it easier for sex workers to disintermediate pimps, which I imagine would be a good thing. Legal adult citizens who were prostitutes were doing exactly that. Pretty much since "online personals" became a thing, sex workers quickly removed all the intermediaries beyond the ads.

djrogers 9y ago
> Anyone here legally and does that sort of sex work has mostly moved away from the pimps. Nice rose-colored world you’ve got there. It may be that the ones you interact with are all 21st century liberated online safe sex workers, but spend some time in the real world. Volunteer at a women’s shelter or a neo-abolitionist organization like A21, talk to cops who work in vice - pimping (the ugly side with the beatings and the forced drug use) is still very much a thing, even online.
- oneshot908 9y ago
  So why make it a felony to do sex-worker outreach then? Because that's what being proposed in California with SB 1204. http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB1204 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml...
- AFNobody 9y ago
  > Nice rose-colored world you’ve got there. It is based upon, among other things, setting up and working with such people via sites they could share bad date lists among other things once upon a time. My view is colored by actually talking to such people over the years. I had to shut that particular project down recently as I'm not willing to take the legal risk. > It may be that the ones you interact with are all 21st century liberated online safe sex workers, but spend some time in the real world. Volunteer at a women’s shelter or a neo-abolitionist organization like A21, talk to cops who work in vice - pimping (the ugly side with the beatings and the forced drug use) is still very much a thing, even online. You are simply stating "Well, it isn't 100% solved so clearly you are delusional." It will never be 100% solved. No problem that involves the abuse of human beings for profit can be 100% solved in a capitalist society and the delusion it can be is genuinely harmful. It simply creates more destruction. I'm sorry but this fantasy utopia where you can simply make things illegal and actually have 100% prevention is delusional to the point of harmful to real human beings.

djrogers 9y ago

> Anyone here legally and does that sort of sex work has mostly moved away from the pimps. Nice rose-colored world you’ve got there. It may be that the ones you interact with are all 21st century liberated online safe sex workers, but spend some time in the real world. Volunteer at a women’s shelter or a neo-abolitionist organization like A21, talk to cops who work in vice - pimping (the ugly side with the beatings and the forced drug use) is still very much a thing, even online.

oneshot908 9y ago
So why make it a felony to do sex-worker outreach then? Because that's what being proposed in California with SB 1204. http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB1204 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml...
AFNobody 9y ago
> Nice rose-colored world you’ve got there. It is based upon, among other things, setting up and working with such people via sites they could share bad date lists among other things once upon a time. My view is colored by actually talking to such people over the years. I had to shut that particular project down recently as I'm not willing to take the legal risk. > It may be that the ones you interact with are all 21st century liberated online safe sex workers, but spend some time in the real world. Volunteer at a women’s shelter or a neo-abolitionist organization like A21, talk to cops who work in vice - pimping (the ugly side with the beatings and the forced drug use) is still very much a thing, even online. You are simply stating "Well, it isn't 100% solved so clearly you are delusional." It will never be 100% solved. No problem that involves the abuse of human beings for profit can be 100% solved in a capitalist society and the delusion it can be is genuinely harmful. It simply creates more destruction. I'm sorry but this fantasy utopia where you can simply make things illegal and actually have 100% prevention is delusional to the point of harmful to real human beings.