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IBM Develops Optical Bus; "computer systems 100 times as fast"

88 points by ygd 16y ago

whatusername 16y ago
sounds impressive. Who wants to guess at how long before we see this actually available in anything? (Even a mainframe/big pSeries box) 5 years? 10?
- CamperBob 16y ago
  Considering this same article has basically been appearing like clockwork about every year for the last 25 or so years, I wouldn't hold my breath. Optical interconnects have been the Next Big Thing for a long time now.
  - mechanical_fish 16y ago
    This is true. Though, I assure you, as someone who worked on the generation of optical interconnects before this one: The invention of the VCSEL really has changed the game, as has the invention of cheap planar arrays of microlenses. These are not the lasers of 1990.
kia 16y ago
single page http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/optoelectronics/get-on-the-optical-bus/0 http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/optoelectronics/get-...
illumen 16y ago
the punchline: "Within five years, we hope to connect microprocessors and memory chips right to the optochip, producing the optical analogue to the electrical multichip modules in today's big-iron machines." At only 10 Gb/s, there are already buses available that do better than that. The good part is the small size I think. At another point they say 160 2 Gb/s links in a small package. That's the goodness.
- xtacy 16y ago
  As you said, we already have buses that can do as much as even 32GB/s (2 lane PCIe 3). I think the bottleneck wrt main memory is the scalability of DRAM. Having lots of DRAM chips helps you scale _out_ just like graphics cards. To put in comparison, Geforce 8800 Ultra has an ~100 GB/s memory bandwidth available to 128 cores (shared).
- Dunbar 16y ago
  The value comes from eliminating electromagnetic crosstalk and reducing the amount of PCB real estate dedicated to those buses. A single line of fiber can outperform several lines of copper, is made of cheaper material and sidesteps a whole swathe of engineering challenges (resonance, power dissipation, synchronization of signals across multiple lines etc.)
  - Blunt 16y ago
    "sidesteps a whole swathe of engineering challenges" Isn't it funny that as time marches on and certain technologies improve, that other areas become much simpler and cheaper to deal with. I can imagine that components such as this making it easier for more engineers and hobbyists getting into electronics, embedded systems, etc.. because of this. As a kid my parents had one of those fiber optic swans you put water in and set atop a "light bulb"; this was in the early 80s or late 70s and I thought at the time (being a geek and familiar with RF) that this fiber optic technology is going to have long reaching ramifications in a good way... I'm excited..
    - arfrank 16y ago
      If you would like to read a fantastic book about the history of Fiber Optics, I would suggest this book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195162552 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195162552 I found it fascinating and shows the development from first concept through research phases to practical/commercial uses. It's a few years old now, but should be good for a lot of information anyway.
    - jacquesm 16y ago
v413 16y ago
Intel is already preparing optical interconnect products (starting with 10gb/s) based on Light Peak. http://www.anandtech.com/print/3834 http://www.anandtech.com/print/3834 http://techresearch.intel.com/articles/None/1813.htm http://techresearch.intel.com/articles/None/1813.htm
- yread 16y ago
  Yep. Plus they actually have working demos and are going to ship next year.

88 points by ygd 16y ago

sounds impressive. Who wants to guess at how long before we see this actually available in anything? (Even a mainframe/big pSeries box) 5 years? 10?

CamperBob 16y ago
Considering this same article has basically been appearing like clockwork about every year for the last 25 or so years, I wouldn't hold my breath. Optical interconnects have been the Next Big Thing for a long time now.
- mechanical_fish 16y ago
  This is true. Though, I assure you, as someone who worked on the generation of optical interconnects before this one: The invention of the VCSEL really has changed the game, as has the invention of cheap planar arrays of microlenses. These are not the lasers of 1990.

kia 16y ago

single page http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/optoelectronics/get-on-the-optical-bus/0 http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/optoelectronics/get-...

illumen 16y ago

the punchline: "Within five years, we hope to connect microprocessors and memory chips right to the optochip, producing the optical analogue to the electrical multichip modules in today's big-iron machines." At only 10 Gb/s, there are already buses available that do better than that. The good part is the small size I think. At another point they say 160 2 Gb/s links in a small package. That's the goodness.

xtacy 16y ago
As you said, we already have buses that can do as much as even 32GB/s (2 lane PCIe 3). I think the bottleneck wrt main memory is the scalability of DRAM. Having lots of DRAM chips helps you scale _out_ just like graphics cards. To put in comparison, Geforce 8800 Ultra has an ~100 GB/s memory bandwidth available to 128 cores (shared).
Dunbar 16y ago
The value comes from eliminating electromagnetic crosstalk and reducing the amount of PCB real estate dedicated to those buses. A single line of fiber can outperform several lines of copper, is made of cheaper material and sidesteps a whole swathe of engineering challenges (resonance, power dissipation, synchronization of signals across multiple lines etc.)
- Blunt 16y ago
  "sidesteps a whole swathe of engineering challenges" Isn't it funny that as time marches on and certain technologies improve, that other areas become much simpler and cheaper to deal with. I can imagine that components such as this making it easier for more engineers and hobbyists getting into electronics, embedded systems, etc.. because of this. As a kid my parents had one of those fiber optic swans you put water in and set atop a "light bulb"; this was in the early 80s or late 70s and I thought at the time (being a geek and familiar with RF) that this fiber optic technology is going to have long reaching ramifications in a good way... I'm excited..
  - arfrank 16y ago
    If you would like to read a fantastic book about the history of Fiber Optics, I would suggest this book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195162552 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195162552 I found it fascinating and shows the development from first concept through research phases to practical/commercial uses. It's a few years old now, but should be good for a lot of information anyway.
  - jacquesm 16y ago

v413 16y ago

Intel is already preparing optical interconnect products (starting with 10gb/s) based on Light Peak. http://www.anandtech.com/print/3834 http://www.anandtech.com/print/3834 http://techresearch.intel.com/articles/None/1813.htm http://techresearch.intel.com/articles/None/1813.htm

yread 16y ago
Yep. Plus they actually have working demos and are going to ship next year.