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They have been loud, but it remains to be proven. The truth is that we don't really know what they do with our data.
by CaptSpify 9y ago
They have been loud, but it remains to be proven. The truth is that we don't really know what they do with our data.
- iamdave 9y agoTelling the FBI to bugger off when they came and asked apple to crack their own encryption isn't enough of an example, exigent as it may very well be, whatever your personal opinions of due process are?
- CaptSpify 9y agoI'm extremely glad they did that, and I absolutely give them credit for it. But it only proves that they were willing to stand up to the FBI. It doesn't prove anything else about how they handle your data and privacy. I'm not saying that they abuse it, I'm just saying that we don't know what they do.
- thecosas 9y agoAll we can do is look at the information so far and it indicates they care about privacy: https://www.apple.com/privacy/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/ and more specifically https://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-requests/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-request...
- CaptSpify 9y agoWell, that isn't nearly all of the information. That is what they say, just like FB says they they don't abuse your privacy. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insight/apple-moves-to-store-icloud-keys-in-china-raising-human-rights-fears-idUSKCN1G8060 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh... They have already shown that they are willing to violate people's privacy. That is useful information.
- iamdave 9y agoSo if you're not going to take it straight from the horses mouth, what then is your complaint and how can anyone ever hope to resolve it? This isn't personal, I just find it increasingly odd when people in online discussions gripe about company not doing x, is then shown clear examples of x and coping back with "that's what they want you to believe" or when asking for an example, is given one and backpedal saying "that doesn't meet these new criteria that weren't up for discussion from the start" It boggles my mind. If you won't offer concessions when evidence comes straight from the source what evidence will you?
- CaptSpify 9y agoAnd I find it insanely naive that anyone would believe what comes from the horses mouth, especially when they don't provide any evidence. Companies say things all the time that aren't true, and I find it silly to believe giant PR groups. I'm not saying that they violate your privacy, I'm only saying that we don't know what they do with your data, thus we don't know if they protect your privacy or not. My complaint is easily solvable: Allow me to set up and use a phone/laptop in such a way that they can't violate my privacy.
- gowld 9y agoNo? Facebook and Google also refuse to crack their own encryption, but are still privacy concerns.
- briandear 9y agoIs there ANY evidence that they don’t do what their privacy policy says they do?
- CaptSpify 9y agoYeah, there is: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insight/apple-moves-to-store-icloud-keys-in-china-raising-human-rights-fears-idUSKCN1G8060 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...
- GeekyBear 9y agoThat is proof that Apple follows local laws. Just like every other American company doing business in China. For instance, Microsoft. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/china/china-overview-operations https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/china/china-overview-...
- CaptSpify 9y agoAnd? A privacy violation via legal means is still a privacy violation. I fully acknowledge that we don't know what Microsoft does with our data either.
- joshuamorton 9y agoTheir specific question was if you had evidence of apple violating their own privacy policy. I'd agree that what they're doing is unethical, but it's not done secretly, and I'd expect that in China their privacy policy makes this clear. Do you have evidence of Apple violating their privacy policy?
- CaptSpify 9y agoActually, you are correct, I apologize. I mis-read the question and no, I don't have any evidence of Apple violating their privacy policy. But that's not what I'm stating. I'm only stating that we don't know what they do with our data.